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Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 4:37 am
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Guys, I thought I'd bring this up since today assisted death is now legal here in Victoria.
But I am curious, are those who believe in abortion the very same people who agree in assisted death (for the elderly and under strict conditions).
Or inversely, are pro lifers automatically against this because they are essentially the same ideology?
Eg, you either find life sacrilegious or you don't?
PS, Beccs, this isn't an invite. I don't need any assistance... I'm just saying ...
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 4:56 am
Well, I certainly believe that they're both morally justifiable.
But, then again, I'm also more anti-birth than pro-choice. I'm an anti-natalist.
In fact, I'm pro-death. I'm a pro-mortalist.
Only bad thing about death is that it tends to cause yourself and others suffering. If it could be done painlessly and instantly then it would be a good thing.
If there was a big red button that instantly destroyed all life on earth completely painlessly ... then it would be very much worth pushing. Due to the great deal of suffering would cease and the fact that because it was instant and painless the happiest people wouldn't actually lose anything. They wouldn't even realize it happened.
But perhaps my weirdo opinion should not be listened to, even if it does make sense, if nobody else is able to make sense of it?
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 6:06 am
(June 19, 2019 at 4:56 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Only bad thing about death is that it tends to cause yourself and others suffering. If it could be done painlessly and instantly then it would be a good thing.
If death is causing you suffering, then you're not dead 
(but I do know what you mean) 
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 6:40 am
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Even when your dead your death can cause suffering to other people who care about you.
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 6:43 am
(June 19, 2019 at 6:06 am)ignoramus Wrote: (June 19, 2019 at 4:56 am)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Only bad thing about death is that it tends to cause yourself and others suffering. If it could be done painlessly and instantly then it would be a good thing.
If death is causing you suffering, then you're not dead
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 8:20 am
(June 19, 2019 at 4:37 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, I thought I'd bring this up since today assisted death is now legal here in Victoria.
But I am curious, are those who believe in abortion the very same people who agree in assisted death (for the elderly and under strict conditions).
Or inversely, are pro lifers automatically against this because they are essentially the same ideology?
Eg, you either find life sacrilegious or you don't?
PS, Beccs, this isn't an invite. I don't need any assistance... I'm just saying ...
I think they would have different rationalizations, one murder, the other suicide, both incorrect.
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 8:21 am
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(June 19, 2019 at 4:37 am)ignoramus Wrote: Guys, I thought I'd bring this up since today assisted death is now legal here in Victoria.
But I am curious, are those who believe in abortion the very same people who agree in assisted death (for the elderly and under strict conditions).
Or inversely, are pro lifers automatically against this because they are essentially the same ideology?
Eg, you either find life sacrilegious or you don't?
PS, Beccs, this isn't an invite. I don't need any assistance... I'm just saying ...
IDK, I don't think they have to be. It's at least conceivable that a pro lifer would think that a huge part of what makes abortion untenable is that someone else is making the choice to end another's life for them. That's not the case with assisted suicide. The soon to be deceased made that choice for themselves.
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 9:28 am
I am pro-your body, your choice. I do understand these choices may hurt others. I lost someone I loved to suicide.
That said, I am not them. I have no idea what it is to live their life. Why the hell should I be making decisions for them?
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 9:34 am
The Catholics are at least consistent on this. They used the same justification against abortion as they do against suicide (assisted or not): Life is a gift from God and is therefore sacred.
Well, consistent in theory, not so much in practice. Historically speaking.
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RE: Assisted suicide and pro abortion.
June 19, 2019 at 11:52 am
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Birth isn't so great.
David Benatar is not a pro-mortalist like I am. He's just an anti-natalist because, unlike myself, he doesn't accept the Epicurean argument regarding death.
I also recommend Shelly Kagan's full Yale course on death. Here's the full free playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2J7wSuF...F1AD9047B0
I disagree with him a lot but it's certainly interesting.
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