RE: Typical theists versus typical atheists
July 7, 2017 at 1:54 pm
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2017 at 2:35 pm by KerimF.)
(July 7, 2017 at 10:09 am)bennyboy Wrote:(July 7, 2017 at 9:11 am)KerimF Wrote: In other words, does, in general, an atheist (or a theist, actually) believe a new idea (discovery) if not approved worldwide first by certain scientists (other than the discoverers) who are privileged by the high class?Science is classless. Those who are most respected, or called great and therefore more easily believed, are so exactly because their ideas up to that point have stood up against all the best efforts of others. Einstein was openly mocked. He openly mocked others, and ended up being proven wrong. It was not his name, or any authority he claimed, that mattered. It was his ideas that mattered, and their ability to predict.
Yes, a lot of people DO believe blindly in science. That's a problem, because when some rogue scientist says stupid shit, like vaccines lead to autism, a percentage of the population is almost guaranteed to believe them only because they are called scientists-- and kids end up dead.
But you have to understand-- people believing blindly in science are NOT scientists. They are not members of the scientific community if they believe on faith alone.
Religion is the exact opposite. Those who question their imams, rabbis or priests will be treated either condescendingly or with outright hostility.
Don't believe me? Look how your ideas are turned over and over here. They are sometimes mocked, sometimes considered, but they are heard and responded to. Now, let one of us go to a religious site, and see how long our questions or arguments are tolerated. I'll bet I can't go to Christian sites in particular, and type the word "evidence" more than 5 times before I'm banned.
To the credit of Islam, I'd say that Islamists DO take the philosophy of their religion seriously-- I suspect I might actually last a fair while at an Islamic site, even as a declared atheist. But even then, I don't think anyone there will be able to give me a clear-cut process for the betterment of my knowledge of reality.
I guess, by now, you know that I am not a follower of any ruling system, claimed inspired by a god or not, even a sportive one

I am a neutral independent observer and I know that no sane mature person (including I) can change his deep nature of which he is made.
Based on this truth, I have no reason to argue or debate. At best, I may have friends the way they are; in case they are also as independent as I am.
You may have already noticed that I don't get angry or upset no matter how some others try their best to tease me.
I just hope always that my personal views won't hurt badly those who have no choice but to be faithful followers of a certain community, hence they are not supposed hearing things that oppose their Absolute.
Although I am not an atheist (I will explore this point on coming threads), I feel better talking to atheists than theists.
But I noticed that talking politics, with theists or atheists, is more risky than talking religions on these days.
The international political propaganda, thanks to the very advanced tools for editing audio/video materials, was able mastering most people's minds around the word to the point if one suggests analysing the end fruits of one important event, he would be treated as a blasphemer from the first minute, speaking politically.
(July 7, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:(July 5, 2017 at 11:08 am)KerimF Wrote: Please help me find a contradiction said by Jesus himself. Thank you.
I would if I were confident that we have a single word said by Yeshua bar Yosef.
I am talking about Jesus story (presented on Gospel) which could be real or not.
For example, I still believe that Pythagoras theorem (for rectangular triangle) is useful to me, even if I will be sure that Pythagoras is just a myth.
The same applies on Newton's laws in physics for example.
I mean we have on our hand a story (fiction or not) about a certain man who is known as Jesus (or else) and used addressing the masses (as our today's top politicians do) to tell them certain teachings. In this story, the character played by Jesus, since birth till his death, is far from being a typical one (even in any other story).
Anyway, even if Jesus may not be real in history, his story do exist now. And it may give useful hints to some people about themselves and life (as other novels may do). The irony is that some people knew, since long, how to use Jesus story (among many others) to gain money and authority by offering Salvation in his name. But they had to also ignore the essence of his teaching about the unconditional love towards all others; otherwise, they will lose most, if not all, of their beloved followers/believers
