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Objective morality as a proper basic belief
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
(July 10, 2017 at 12:58 pm)SteveII Wrote: KhemikalIf they're "moral" properties simply by being the nature of god..yeah...that;s the definition of arbitrary.  Whatever those properties happened to be..they;d have been the "unchanging moral properties". Gut a child or not gut a child...whichever one god did would be "moral".  [1]

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Well, I mean except for the parts about god being an ever changing thing if you guys are to be believeed...and not being able to objectively comment upon that god in any way, or being able to cogently answer a moral dilemma...sure.  [2]

Meanwhile.....what's wrong with harm? Since you're so big on suspicion of others moral foundations...I suspect that you are using harm..and not gods nature, as the foundation for your own morality.  Could a god order the rape of a child and still be moral?  If so, how so, if not, why not?  [3] 

1. You're not going back far enough. Your example is on an action God might take that defines morality. I am referring to the nature that governs God's actions. Part of the definition of God is that he exhibits the greatest possible version of that trait within the constraints of his other traits (for example, justice constrains other traits like mercy). 

2. God does not change except in relation to created things. Having a relationship with something changes even God. God's nature surely cannot change--it's not even logically possible.

3. Regarding your hypothetical, you would have to ask whether God nature could allow him to issue such a command. So perfect love and compassion always apply, in this case there are no other additional constraint like preserving holiness or justice. So, no, God could not issue the command.

With regard to (3), I assume that your god could have ordered the rape of the Amalekite children without violating the nature you believers have dreamed up for him. After all, the little sons-of-bitches were to be butchered anyway -- you know, 'cause "holiness and justice". So what's a little child rape before smashing in their skulls?
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RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief - by Crossless1 - July 10, 2017 at 1:18 pm

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