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[Fireball]

Perhaps I misspoke; what I meant by 'it's their own fault' was that, their mental states won't allow them to even consider that they're wrong, and so they can't be reasoned with because their position isn't based on reason in the first place. Them adopting that sort of worldview prevents us from being able to talk them down from their crazy, and it's not our fault for lack of trying, it's theirs for their stubbornness where their beliefs are concerned no matter how absurd and how much the evidence fails to support them and supports the exact opposite. THAT part of the problem, is on them, or at least, not on us. We can offer the solution but them refusing to take it isn't a flaw in our position.

I'm not criticizing you, just to be clear.  Those people seriously piss me off.  I just don't think they have the capacity to do otherwise.

The human condition is that we can imagine, and that imagination in its strongest form is hard to distinguish from reality.  Then we have a rational mind, and a complex mechanism of instincts that revolve around feelings: love, fear, and even superstitious inclinations.

In short, humans will NEVER settle down into a peaceful, sensible community, because if we ever have the capacity to do that as a species, we won't really be human any more-- we'll be something else.  The rational ones among us, for now, must just watch from the sidelines while the irrational majority fuck the world up step by step.

I think that we'd still be human, in the biological sense. But hopefully evolved beyond a lot of the parts of our nature that make us so gullible. Then again, that trust of the adult that permits the young to learn so much probably interferes with that. I personally think that religion is going to be a monkey on our backs for the span of time that humans exist.