(July 17, 2017 at 7:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(July 17, 2017 at 7:26 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:That's clearly not the point I was responding to up above, but okay....
I'm not arguing for objective morality, my only point was that it's possible to reach objective moral conclusions based on a subjective foundation.
An objective moral statement requires requires a moral fact of the matter. No subjective moral framework is capable of yielding a meaningfully objective moral conclusion - by definition. It can provide a consistent conclusion. It can provide correlative conclusions. It can provide a useful conclusion. You can comment objectively -on- a subjective moral system and it;s conclusions(as I did above)...but it does not, because it cannot, provide an objectively moral conclusion.
(July 17, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: But even the notion of sociopaths and such don't actually change the axiom it just adds nuance to it
It doesn't add an ounce of nuance to the axiom, it modifies notions of moral desert pursuant to the axiom.
Good Point

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