Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 24, 2025, 12:49 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Objective morality as a proper basic belief
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
(July 17, 2017 at 7:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(July 17, 2017 at 7:26 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:
I'm not arguing for objective morality, my only point was that it's possible to reach objective moral conclusions based on a subjective foundation.
That's clearly not the point I was responding to up above, but okay....

An objective moral statement requires requires a moral fact of the matter.  No subjective moral framework is capable of yielding a meaningfully objective moral conclusion - by definition.  It can provide a consistent conclusion.  It can provide correlative conclusions.  It can provide a useful conclusion.  You can comment objectively -on- a subjective moral system and it;s conclusions(as I did above)...but it does not, because it cannot, provide an objectively moral conclusion.

(July 17, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: But even the notion of sociopaths and such don't actually change the axiom it just adds nuance to it

It doesn't add an ounce of nuance to the axiom, it modifies notions of moral desert pursuant to the axiom.

Good Point  Smile
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief - by Amarok - July 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Why are atheists hostile to a belief in a Creator? Drew_2013 28 1218 April 14, 2025 at 7:10 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Finally an atheist proper, with views and questions Lucian 62 5643 June 12, 2024 at 10:32 pm
Last Post: Prycejosh1987
  The Possibly Proper Death Litany, aka ... Gawdzilla Sama 11 1825 December 18, 2023 at 1:15 pm
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  Morality Kingpin 101 11063 May 31, 2023 at 6:48 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  How do I deal with the belief that maybe... Just maybe... God exists and I'm... Gentle_Idiot 75 10687 November 23, 2022 at 5:34 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  A Case for Inherent Morality JohnJubinsky 66 10062 June 22, 2021 at 10:35 am
Last Post: John 6IX Breezy
  Morality without God Superjock 102 13569 June 17, 2021 at 6:10 pm
Last Post: Ranjr
  Belief in God is a clinic Interaktive 55 8694 April 1, 2019 at 10:55 pm
Last Post: LostLocke
  Is atheism a belief? Agnostico 1023 131837 March 16, 2019 at 1:42 pm
Last Post: Catharsis
  Morality Agnostico 337 53755 January 30, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Last Post: vulcanlogician



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)