RE: Four proofs of the nonexistence of God
July 18, 2017 at 4:38 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2017 at 4:45 pm by mordant.)
(July 18, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote:Ah, but I have. Several times. I'm a former evangelical.(July 18, 2017 at 9:37 am)mordant Wrote: Your own religion teaches that you are mindless robots in heaven, devoid of free will, never sinning and always worshiping. Do you want to be a without volition for eternity?Where do you get these ideas from? It doesn't say any such thing. According to scripture we're going to be living on a new earth in physical bodies. Everything we do will be an act of worship of God. If you want to make statements about what the bible says, why don't you read it first.
If we're going to live forever doing nothing but worshipping god, that is exactly the situation you guys say can't be permitted in this life: no free will. I am not aware of any Christians who do nothing but worship god even in this life. In Heaven there will be no sin. There will be no dissent. No one will ever piss god off ever again. Which implies no one will do anything but god's will. Sounds like the very definition of "robot" to me.
(July 18, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: If there is a spiritual "us" that is supernatural, then it can preserve the memories.The supernatural is a useless and illogical concept that is just a fancy word for "magic". So sure, if there's magic, anything is possible.
"Supernatural" is that which is outside of or above the natural world. Anything outside the natural world is inherently non-discussable. The instant you make a knowledge claim that you can substantiate, you are talking about something in the natural world, accessible to your five senses, instrumentation, or mathematical or logical deduction from indirect sources. 100% of everything that has ever been said about "the supernatural" is sheer speculation, by definition. So the concept of "supernatural" is no help to you.
(July 18, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Lek Wrote: If I can accept a soul, then I can easily accept that it would contain the memories of my life as well. What it really comes down to is whether or not there is a supernatural existence that doesn't follow natural laws. If you're not open to a supernatural existence and only can think according to natural laws, then you really can't come to an understanding of something that is beyond nature.And thankfully, you are right about that. Because the supernatural is indistinguishable from your imagination, and I greatly prefer to hold beliefs according to what is substantiatable, and to minimize confirmation bias. I am not interested in speculating about invisible beings and realms about which there is zero information, by definition.
Again and again, theists protest that if I can just accept X, where X is the soul, or "the supernatural", or merely the existence of their deity of choice, then everything else follows. This is in fact how the failed epistemology known as "religious faith" works. But since it failed to predict or explain experienced reality, I discarded it in favor of more reliable ways of exploring reality than "just believe my unsupported assertions". Indeed, most of what religion offers requires one to "Just believe my unsupportable assertions", because the hypothesis is unfalsifiable to begin with.
(July 18, 2017 at 12:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: Conclusion: the idea of an actual infinite is logically absurd.Then I take it you do not believe your god to be infinite or eternal. Because that would be absurd.