(July 20, 2017 at 2:54 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(July 20, 2017 at 2:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Ok... what I know of the Casmir experiment, is that it requires to plates in a vacuum (not nothing). My question is still how do we determine that nothing is the cause (or how can you even test that).
As to an infinite regress, I agree, that is a problem with an infinite series of cause and effects. I don't see where it is required however; that it either stop at virtual particles or be an infinite regress. How did you come to this conclusion? Which part of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle do you apply, to get virtual particles poofing into existence from nothing. I need reasons to abandon the principle of causality, which I think it properly basic.
Are you (like Craig with his "bait & switch") saying that the vacuum caused the virtual particles? If so, what was the cause of the vacuum causing the virtual particles? And, what was the cause of the cause of the vacuum causing the virtual particles, etc., etc? The issue is not where the virtual particles come from but what causes them to come into existence?
As I had already said, I don't know (however something going on within that vacuum seems plausible). What testimony or reason do you give, that I should stop here, and think that nothing is on the otherside? Personally, I think that something has a lot more potential than nothing, and is a wiser assumption. You need a pretty good reason for me to abandon the principle of causality in science.
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