RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
July 28, 2017 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2017 at 11:52 am by Harry Nevis.)
(July 27, 2017 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote: all it takes according to Christ is a mustard seed's worth of faith.
(The smallest amount) and God will move mountains of doubt.
I found you need the faith to simply ask and then follow where God leads.
So the evidence for your fairy tale is what your fairy tale says. Got it.
(July 27, 2017 at 7:58 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(July 27, 2017 at 7:32 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: To the OP: There are two definitions of faith. One is belief in the absence of evidence. The other is trusting a promise. Sometimes they are both in play. For example, suppose my friend has never before asked to borrow money from me. I have no evidence that he will repay the loan. However, I do trust him because of evidence of his good intentions in the past. And yes, there is sufficient evidence despite your delusional incredulity.
You've been here for years, plenty of you have been here for years...and yet no one has deigned to present the "sufficient evidence"...they just want to argue, lol.
So, here's yet another chance to make that thread, and present that evidence.
Just another re-definition of a word. This time it's "sufficient".
(July 27, 2017 at 10:39 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(July 27, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: By any logical standard if there was any evidence for the existence of god, that would make faith irrelevant.
That faith is needed in the religious community reasonably means that zero evidence is in existence to prove god is real.
Cause it is faith in God, not faith without reason. Even those who where their talked about their faith. Why would that be?
Faith in god IS faith without reason. You may have your reasons, but they don't objectivly support the object of your faith.
(July 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm)SteveII Wrote:(July 27, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: By any logical standard if there was any evidence for the existence of god, that would make faith irrelevant.
That faith is needed in the religious community reasonably means that zero evidence is in existence to prove god is real.
IMO, I think the conclusion does not follow from the premise because a Christian does not have to have faith that God exists. That God exists can be known. Rather we are called to have faith that Jesus Christ can/will/does provide atonement for our sins if we ask and in his other promises related to the Christian life.
Just not in the accepted way we use the word "known" about beings or objects. Christians need to put out their own dictionary.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
