(August 2, 2017 at 10:43 pm)Astonished Wrote:(August 2, 2017 at 10:37 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: frauds and charlatans are strong words even carrier does not go that far. Uniformed biased to there own crowd maybe but fraud is a bit strong. But yes the evidence is not in there favour and simply blindly appealing to them does not help . And yes revision is fun .
As AronRa points out, if you're proclaiming as true that which is not evidently true or which you cannot demonstrate is true, that is a lie, and depending on what you're lying about, that's fraud. The fact that ID was defeated spectacularly in court because those who were defending it were frauds is just a microcosm of the entire enterprise. Try pulling any of that other shit in an actual court, and they'll be convicted of fraud and rightly labeled as charlatans.
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