RE: White supremacists and counter protesters clash in Charlottesville
August 14, 2017 at 1:30 pm
(August 14, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 12:18 pm)Brian37 Wrote: HOLY FUCKING SHIT...... Um the South supported slavery not the North, now you tell me how that is not a violation of the civil rights of blacks? Why the fuck are you so damned bent on supporting that?Brian fuck you, I have asked now for the 3rd time to stop misrepresenting my position you angry dishonest little prick. I know the south supported slavery, I was pointing out that our laws do not grant the right to put up only statues of union soldiers. Towns are allowed to display monuments of statues that relate to the history of the town the people can vote whether or not they want these statues and that is a process that I support. I do not support your position that is a part of history that is embarrassing or immoral it shouldn't be displayed or worse should be forced by law not to be displayed.
I COULD GIVE A SHIT LESS if you are going to argue legality. Still a huge difference between legal and moral. PERIOD!
You think just because it wasn't a war with mass gassing of blacks makes it less cruel, because it wasn't Jews? GROW THE FUCK UP AND STOP DEFENDING IT.
By your logic anyone who wants a Nazi flag on public property if enough people want it they should have one. NO AND FUCK YOU.
"Blacks were not gassed in ovens, so slavery was ok." Now if that is not what you defend then just admit the statues should not be there.
There is absolutely no lagit reason for any promotion of slavery on public property outside a museum of what not to do with your fellow human beings. Otherwise I will assume you do support slavery, so if you don't just fucking drop your argument. I could give a shit less if you want to argue legality.
(August 14, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Kosh Wrote: Nah, that's not it at all. In its simplest sense of the word, he was a traitor. You don't see any statues of Jefferson Davis in DC?I was referring to things like the Jefferson memorial and displays of the constitution which was signed by men who owned slaves and included no laws to protect against slavery.
Even if that is true.. Does that matter? It almost makes it worse that he couldn't be bothered to stand up for what he thought was right regarding slavery.
You, "Mommy mommy, why cant we treat what the South did as equally as moral as what the North did?"
BECAUSE THE SOUTH SUPPORTED KEEPING SLAVERY FUCKFACE!
So you are right, but what the fuck does that have to do with the Civil War. You know what would have happened if the founders had pushed for Abolition, they would have either been drummed out of office or lynched. And yes some of the founders were Abolitionists. So the fuck what?
The Founders owned slaves yes no shit asshole. But we are not talking about the founders, we are talking about the side of a war that defended keeping slavery. The founders shouldn't have owned slaves either, so? That does not make what the South wanted in fighting to keep it moral.
Nobody is talking about justifying even the founders owning slaves so that is not an argument. And nobody is saying erase history. It still remains slavery was wrong. So was denying women the right to vote. So was genocide of native Americans. So was the internment of innocent Japanese during WW2.
"The Founders owned slaves too" is not an argument. No shit, and they were equally as wrong.
FYI slavery ended in the majority of the North around the time Jefferson had died. Many of the founders were Abolitionists
The beginning of Abolition in the North began as early as 1777..... Advocates included Franklin and Paine. By 1787 slavery was either outright banned or severely limited. By 1808 the importation of slaves was outright banned. Point being, the beginning of the end to slavery STILL started in the North.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitioni...ted_States