RE: White supremacists and counter protesters clash in Charlottesville
August 14, 2017 at 4:07 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm by Brian37.)
(August 14, 2017 at 3:56 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:(August 14, 2017 at 1:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You, "Mommy mommy, why cant we treat what the South did as equally as moral as what the North did?"
BECAUSE THE SOUTH SUPPORTED KEEPING SLAVERY FUCKFACE!
So you are right, but what the fuck does that have to do with the Civil War. You know what would have happened if the founders had pushed for Abolition, they would have either been drummed out of office or lynched. And yes some of the founders were Abolitionists. So the fuck what?
The Founders owned slaves yes no shit asshole. But we are not talking about the founders, we are talking about the side of a war that defended keeping slavery. The founders shouldn't have owned slaves either, so? That does not make what the South wanted in fighting to keep it moral.
Nobody is talking about justifying even the founders owning slaves so that is not an argument. And nobody is saying erase history. It still remains slavery was wrong. So was denying women the right to vote. So was genocide of native Americans. So was the internment of innocent Japanese during WW2.
"The Founders owned slaves too" is not an argument. No shit, and they were equally as wrong.
FYI slavery ended in the majority of the North around the time Jefferson had died. Many of the founders were Abolitionists
The beginning of Abolition in the North began as early as 1777..... Advocates included Franklin and Paine. By 1787 slavery was either outright banned or severely limited. By 1808 the importation of slaves was outright banned. Point being, the beginning of the end to slavery STILL started in the North.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitioni...ted_States
You still can't actually address the issue, I don't even know what you are arguing against and I'm not sure you know either. Should a town have the right to have a Robert E Lee statue, or should all confederate history be banned from public property? If you think it should be banned then why is the Jefferson Memorial allowed to stand.
Should an asshole be allowed to convince investors to give him money to a clear scam? Well the difference between Madoff and 45 is that Madoff fucked over the rich. 45 with his fake university conned the middle class and poor. With slavery it is even worse because it isn't just about stealing money, it is about vile subjugation of a fellow human on top of making money off of your abuse of them.
I don't know how more bluntly I can put it, SLAVERY IS WRONG......... I don't see how anyone can equate the Civil War to the Revolutionary War.
Now idiot, nobody is or should justify Jefferson owning slaves. But between the North and South the North started the end of slavery as imperfect as our system was back then.
"Jefferson owned slaves" still does not excuse keeping symbols of the South.
You sound like an asshole who gets pulled over by a cop and say, " Bu bu bu officer, other people were speeding too and I was just moving with the flow of traffic.
Now what makes you think I advocate ignoring Jefferson owning slaves? I don't. I am saying that the North started the end of Slavery and the South wanted to keep it.