RE: A contradiction in the liberal view of gender
August 22, 2017 at 12:40 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 12:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 22, 2017 at 12:35 am)shadow Wrote:-and I'm reminding you that just because someone or someones - plural, shouldn't, doesn't mean that they don't. That this is not a contradiction between the two statements you chose to reference.(August 22, 2017 at 12:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: No, b doesn't. There's no point in correcting you anywhere else, a correction here suffices, agreed? B simply accepts that such constructs exist - it does not state that they are innate or opine upon the virtue of such constructs in and of themselves.
I'm talking more about one's ideals. If someone thinks that there should be no difference between how we treat men and women, it is at the very least logically inconsistent for them to think that it should matter whether you are one or the other. I could see it as a means to deal with the fact that the world isn't yet what one might desire it to be, but it is still contradictory reasoning in that case.
Quote:To provide an analogy: it's like if I thought religions are all BS, but decided to convert from being a Muslim to a Christian. Why not just be an atheist, or distance myself from religion as much as possible if my society doesn't allow me to completely leave it? Why emphasize the change?A poor analogy, even statement A doesn't call them bullshit, - it calls them arbitrary - and they are, as evidenced by vast disparity between competing notions of gender between cultures as they refer to their respective sexes. Their being arbitrary doesn;t change the fact that they exist, and that people within those frameworks find them both compelling..and, in some cases, disphoric.
Quote:Just my experience. I absolutely agree it's not like all liberals will think this or that they are the only ones, just that there are many liberal people who hold this view, who I would otherwise agree with on many issues.
Why do you think liberals hold that view? Why do you think it's the view of sociology, psychology, and ethics? I take it by "otherwise" you mean you disagree here, but are you disagreeing with anything that's actually being said?
Even more simply - if someone wants to be a girl or be called a girl or be treated like a girl..whats the fucking problem?
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