RE: A contradiction in the liberal view of gender
August 22, 2017 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2017 at 2:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 22, 2017 at 1:13 pm)shadow Wrote: I think it's important to consider why we'd treat a guy different from a girl. Gender may not be the best metric for that, because it stereotypes (sort of a judgement shortcut). There's a reason we'd treat genders differently, and that has to do with the characteristics of that gender. For example, scientifically, women are on average naturally less muscular than men, so it reasons that they may be less capable at self defense. We can generalize, and that's where we get our societal gender stereotypes from, and maybe they aren't valueless. But, they don't really address the actual issue in this case, which is strength. So they aren't as accurate a way of judging someone as looking at the actual characteristic that influences how we treat someone.If we're going to continue this discussion you'll have to find a way to add fidelity, perhaps refer to sex instead of gender. If you're talking about biological females being less muscular on average then you're talking about sex.
Quote:All this to say... I think we generally treat guys differently from girls for a reason, and that reason at it's core isn't as simple as gender.It is. It's just not as simple as -sex-.
Quote:It's a characteristic that is grouped under gender, that may or may not be accurate for an individual. It's a judgement shortcut that, while easy, isn't as valid. So I wouldn't treat a guy differently from a girl for arbitrary gender reasons, but for the characteristics of that guy that form his gender. That is the extent to which I agree with A.You say you wouldn't, but have you ever wondered whether or not you do?
Quote:I have no problem with that. But that's a different thing from changing from one gender extreme to another. It's not that I see it as wrong, just unnecessary if you believe gender constructs aren't valid in the first place.It doesn't matter what you or I or "liberals" believe about the validity of gender constructs - and again, you're the one calling them invalid. They exist. If a person wishes to conform to one of them, then they should go do that, and other people should stop looking for problems where there aren't any.
I could accurately sum up your entire position thusly-
"If wishes were horses, ergo liberals hold contradictory positions"
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