RE: How Catholic was Hitler?
August 29, 2017 at 12:54 am
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2017 at 12:56 am by Astonished.)
(August 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm)CatholicDefender Wrote: As a devout Catholic, I have some real problems with people saying Hitler was "one of us"
It is extraordinarily shameful and embarrassing to hear that kind of shit coming from peoples lips, and quite frankly not even correct.
First of all, I don't think Hitler was an atheist. He said much to the effect of God being on his side, though I think he meant more destiny and the universe rather than Jehovah himself.
True he was baptized into the Catholic Church in his little town in Austria. But practically all gentile Austrians at that time were Roman Catholic. If Hitler were born in Denmark, he would have been Lutheran, and Anglican if he had been born in England.
What Im saying is one's degree of adherence and respect for one's faith surely matters instead of none at all.
Hitler didn't even reference his love for the Catholic faith when on the campaign trail, more just his reverence for Jesus/Christinaity in general (I suppose it was must given how a slight majority of Germany was Protestant at the time.)
Kind of terrible that he basically won the Christian vote, but that is a topic for a different time.
Did he ever evidence Catholic devotion outside of the campaign trail/public events? Did he and Eva Braun, the woman he lived in sin with ever go to bible studies or say the rosary? Id love to see any evidence that they actually did.
There were plenty of Catholic shrines in occupied Europe at the time. Why didn't the Nazis ever organize pilgrimages to see them in stead to their drunk,degenerate icons such as Horst Wessel and others?![]()
My main point is that Hitler's nominal Catholicism was incidental, as opposed to the driving force behind his anti-semitism and shiftiness in general.
Nazism was at its core a materialistic philosophy, concerned with the material only as opposed to the spiritual. What it wanted was just the supremacy of the Nordic (Northern European race), the enslavement of the Eastern Europeans to achieve that end, and the elimination of European Jewry( apparently a liberalizing, cosmopolitan force.)
I am fairly certain the source of Nazi anti-semitism was not the Traditionalist Christian variety, but the more modern version of the Zionist/Rothchild cabal of world finance trying to undermine and destroy the "Goy".
I don't believe he viewed the Pope as a friend, and he and many high ranking Nazis were frustrated and suspicious of the Catholic Church, since it was an entity that they could never control (unlike those poor fragmented Protestant ones.)
I believe one has to somewhat adhere to Catholic doctrine in order to be a Catholic in a meanginful, serious way.
Is there any evidence Hitler's Catholicism was something he took seriously and loved, or was it just some sort of tribal identification which he never gave much of a thought (the latter is depressingly common in todays Catholic world.)
For being a devout Catholic he sure was mean and cruel to his fellow Catholics. How do you explain this scene and a devoutly Catholic Hitler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV9H7aWgPv8
I sure hope those nuns weren't sent to Dachau!
I'm perfectly fine not saying Hitler was, specifically, Catholic. But he was a Xtian, the Nazi armies were Xtian if not largely specifically Catholic, and let's not forget the charitable treatment the Axis received from the Vatican. You don't get to erase that stain just because you don't like it. Your entire religion is made-up and can be interpreted however the fuck any of you want which is why it's so easy to turn it into THAT. Want to distance yourself from it? Abandon ship. Turn your back on that dumpster fire and be a secular humanist. None of that bullshit baggage, no inability to change your mind about even the most deeply held moral beliefs if new information that improves your perspective surfaces...it's a self-correcting mechanism that religion is literally incapable of offering.
If not...well, given what I've just described, how good are you going to look not taking that high road? Just don't expect any respect to come your way.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.