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Is Anne Frank in Hell?
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RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell?
(September 7, 2017 at 2:10 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:
(September 7, 2017 at 2:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As per usual, Jehanne in his complete ignorance of Catholicism is spewing incorrect information.  

That was written in the year 1442 and was never proclaimed as dogmatic teaching. As I said and will say again, the revised consensus as of Vatican II is that a person need not be Catholic or even Christian while in this life to go to Heaven. But you can continue to pretend you know more about my faith than I do.

That's kind of a big thing to change, isn't it ??

Was the church wrong before, or are they wrong now??  (and I am going to [redacted] if they are deemed to have been correct either way since people were executed under the prior policy)

Not really. We still believe that people go to Heaven through Christ, and everyone who is there is Christian. But we have come to infer that this doesn't necessarily mean they need to be part of the Christian faith while on earth. If a person strives to live a life of virtue, even though that person is not of the Christian faith, they are still following the principles of Christ. Christ died for everyone. If a person (knowingly or unknowingly) follows the ways of Christ by being a good, virtuous person, he/she will be in Heaven per our beliefs.   

As for the Church changing things... Dogmatic doctrines are the ones that are considered "revealed truth" and those cannot be changed in any way, ever. Other doctrines, depending on what they are, may be modified and/or evolve as new things come up, and as we generally learn more about philosophy and natural law. So long as no fundamental principles themselves change.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by CatholicDefender - September 5, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Chad32 - September 5, 2017 at 10:15 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by KevinM1 - September 5, 2017 at 10:22 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Fireball - September 5, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by LostLocke - September 5, 2017 at 10:30 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 10:41 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by The Valkyrie - September 5, 2017 at 10:48 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jackalope - September 5, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by c172 - September 5, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by The Valkyrie - September 5, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Fireball - September 5, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Amarok - September 6, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 6, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Harry Nevis - September 6, 2017 at 9:45 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - September 6, 2017 at 12:04 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Harry Nevis - September 6, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by CapnAwesome - September 6, 2017 at 3:05 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 6, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - September 6, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Whateverist - September 6, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by mlmooney89 - September 6, 2017 at 5:44 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 6, 2017 at 7:56 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Simon Moon - September 6, 2017 at 7:59 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by chimp3 - September 6, 2017 at 8:06 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - September 7, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 10:27 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - September 7, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jehanne - September 7, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 6, 2017 at 2:13 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Crossless2.0 - September 6, 2017 at 2:32 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Fake Messiah - September 6, 2017 at 3:13 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Joods - September 6, 2017 at 2:24 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by chimp3 - September 6, 2017 at 5:50 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Amarok - September 6, 2017 at 6:02 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 6, 2017 at 1:14 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by chimp3 - September 6, 2017 at 6:11 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Cyberman - September 6, 2017 at 6:25 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by CapnAwesome - September 6, 2017 at 10:50 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Minimalist - September 6, 2017 at 12:12 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by drfuzzy - September 6, 2017 at 1:10 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 6, 2017 at 1:54 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Drich - September 6, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by FatAndFaithless - September 6, 2017 at 1:58 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by I_am_not_mafia - September 6, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by brewer - September 6, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Chad32 - September 6, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Whateverist - September 6, 2017 at 2:21 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Athene - September 6, 2017 at 6:41 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by The Valkyrie - September 7, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 1:44 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Fake Messiah - September 7, 2017 at 3:05 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Harry Nevis - September 7, 2017 at 8:10 am
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 2:10 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 2:36 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jehanne - September 7, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jehanne - September 7, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 3:58 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jehanne - September 7, 2017 at 5:01 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Catholic_Lady - September 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Jehanne - September 7, 2017 at 8:24 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Is Anne Frank in Hell? - by Fake Messiah - September 8, 2017 at 3:27 am

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