RE: The Argument From Design
August 5, 2011 at 10:07 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2011 at 10:10 pm by popeyespappy.)
(August 5, 2011 at 6:21 pm)Godschild Wrote:(August 5, 2011 at 5:03 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: I’d like to suggest that you spend a little time learning what science really thinks about evolution instead of depending on your preacher or people from the Discovery Institute. I’d bet that would be a waste of time though because I’m sure others have made similar suggestions to no avail before me. It would be nice though if you had a clue. It might help you formulate an argument that didn’t involve a straw man or simply shouting “You can’t prove it!” over and over again.It's all hypothesis, you have no facts about any ancient eyes or if the eye evolved at all, without the actual subjects to study you can have no proof, the same as God, I can not physically show Him to you so I have no proof that you would accept. Just because certain types of eyes exist this in no way means that the eye evolved through any process, there is no proof that a simple type of light sensitive material in a single cell organsim evolved into an eye. I'm not buying this line of reasoning it makes no sence. I guess the next thing I will hear from you will be that a photoelectric cell will evolve into a digital telescope that will be able to see into the center of a black hole. Now do not get me wrong I like science and enjoy scientific discoveries that are factual, I love to see the pictures that Hubble brings us and look forward to the spacecraft going to Jupiter, I think that's the correct planet, to peer through the clouds so we can see what's under them. However when it comes to evolution well there is no evidence that it's true, I do believe that changes can and do happen within a species but not changes so great that a new species evolves. By the way my pastor was a nuclear engineer with TVA before he was called to be a pastor, so you see I do study under a very intelligent man, who by the way will only deal with truth, if there is speculation in anything he teaches he says so and explains it.
Just as I suspected, the best you can do is scream “You can’t prove it!” Unfortunately for you, your very intelligent, nuclear engineer preacher with the bad case of belief bias has imparted to you a pathetic understanding of the concepts of facts, evidence and proof. For example: Changes in the frequency of alleles within a population over time is a fact. One you could demonstrate to yourself by doing a little flower gardening and crossing two different colors of the same species of flower and observing what the following generations looks like. This very same change of alleles is also evidence of evolution. You might not accept it, but that is likely due in large part to the conformation bias your very intelligent, nuclear engineer preacher is ensuring you don’t leave church without. Finally, the number of confirmed human endogenous retrovirus K insertions in identical chromosomal locations shared by humans and the rest of the primate family proves that you and the monkey at the local zoo are descended from a common ancestor.
Now before you start screaming that “I can’t prove it” or “God did it” there is something I’d like for you to consider. First is that you have already admitted that you can’t prove God exists. Your belief in creationism relies entirely on your faith in the recorded beliefs of people that had an extremely limited understanding of even the most basic principles of science. On the other hand I can prove that viruses exist through the application technology combined with modern scientific method. I can also prove viruses are responsible for horizontal gene transfer to organisms including humans. Finally, I can prove that humans and other primates share multiple identical HERV insertions, and that the distribution of those insertions is consistent with evolution in every way.
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