RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
September 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2017 at 4:07 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
(September 29, 2017 at 3:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(September 29, 2017 at 3:08 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Alright, let me try again. If a person had no positive emotions such as due to being in a completely miserable state, then you would still say that he would be able to identify the good and beautiful values in life. This is still not the same thing as actually seeing those good and beautiful values just as how a blind person who identifies colors is not the same thing as him visualizing those colors.Back to the dubious analogy? Why, no matter how often or how strongly you reassert what I have already commented on...my response will be the same........
Quote:Therefore, it would still have to all go back to my sight analogy. Since this sight analogy is the analogy I have to go by, then let me try to make it more clear. If you were to see the good value and beauty of this life like how a sighted person would be able to visualize colors, then it would simply be amazing. It would be beyond anything imaginable! If a person was blind his whole entire life, gained his sight for the first time, and saw all these wonderful colors, then it would be profoundly beautiful to him. Of course, in order for it to be profoundly beautiful to him, he would need to feel a positive emotion in order to see that as something beautiful.-aaaand that's how I know I'm not "enlightened" - that's not happening, despite my ability to both perceive goodness -and- feel good about it. Can you see the problem here? If you are enlightened, it isn't for the reasons you've offered...they're common to humanity...whereas enlightenment (lol?) is not.
I will try yet again and this time it will be different. There are two forms of value judgments as I've mentioned before. There are those ones that come about through your thinking and then there are the emotional ones. These emotional value judgments are the emotions themselves. This means that if you felt a positive emotion, then you are actually judging a certain thing to be good. If you felt a negative emotion, then you would actually be judging something to be bad even if you did not think that it was bad. When you judge something as good or bad, then you are perceiving it as good or bad. But the thought form of value judgments only allow us to perceive good and bad value in the sense of identifying them. It can only be our emotions that allow us to see these values like how a sighted person would be able to visualize colors.
But what's the problem with living by a standard where you can only identify the good values in life? Like I said, perceiving these good values like how a sighted person would be able to visualize colors is like the inner light of god we need in our lives. Our lives would be empty without his light. But if we live in a universe where there is no god, then the secular version of my worldview would simply say that we need our positive emotions just like how we would need the light of god in a paranormal universe. Our secular lives would be empty as well without them regarldess of what we were to believe otherwise. If there are people who believe otherwise, then they would not have been awakened to the truth. They are just living by a no quality standard without even realizing it. Living a life of no emotions at all would be a no quality standard while living by misery and hopeless emotional states would literally be the worst quality standard to live by. It would literally be the worst way to live your life and pursue any given artistic endeavor.