Emotions are intrinsically good and bad

[Transcended Dimensions]

I don't think that thoughts alone are sufficent either. Positive and negative experiences themselves are sufficent. And they are in thought-form in the sense that they are experienced as conscious states (so they are thought-stuff in that sense).

Or basically... I don't think that thoughts alone are sufficient but I do think positive or negative feeling alone is sufficient. I think 'feeling' is a lot broader than specific emotions. I think there are positive and negative feelings that aren't categorized into specific emotions.

And a positive feeling that is more intense and lasts longer is definitely superior to another positive feeling that is less intense and lasts less long.... but it's not clear whether 'excitement' is superior to 'relaxation'. Or 'bliss' is superior to 'ecstasy'.

Then I do not agree that there are positive and negative feelings. I have never had positive and negative feelings. So, according to my definition, positive and negative feelings can only be our positive and negative emotions. This means that our positive and negative emotions truly are the only real positive and negative experiences regardless of what we were to believe otherwise.

That's wrong if you believe that a positive emotion is intrinsic goodness. Because if you truly believe that something has good value then you will experience that belief as a positive emotion (or at least as a positive feeling that there isn't a label for. But then would you discount it even though it feels good just because it doesn't have a name you call an 'emotion'?). You can't believe you are experiencing good value and not feel it unless good value means something more to you than a positive emotion.

During mental conditions such as anhedonia or depression, a belief sometimes cannot make you feel a positive emotion. As for what you call a positive feeling, I do not agree they exist. This is because, during my worst miserable moments, I have thought that the idea of getting help was something of good value and beauty. But there was no positive experience there whatsoever. There was no positive feeling at all. The same thing applies to moments in my life where i have felt excited and felt no negative emotions. During these moments, I have judged things to be the most horrible things anyway. But there was no negative experience there. Therefore, I clearly recognize my positive emotions as being the true positive experiences in my life and my negative emotions as being the true negative experiences in my life.

I have had some horrible negative emotional states of hopelessness and misery in my life. The nightmare states induced by these miserable states were crippled states that were orders of magnitude worse than my waking ones. It is literally impossible for me to fathom what you call a negative feeling being just as horrible or even more horrible than those emotional states I've been through. Likewise, the same is impossible to fathom when it comes to positive feelings. That is why I have to conclude that it can only be our positive and negative emotions which can be the real positive and negative experiences (feelings).

With all of this said, I do make a distinction between believing your life is good or bad as opposed to a positive or negative feeling, emotion, and experience. Given this, it really would all have to come back down to the blind person believing he can visualize the color red all because he was taught the wrong definition of visualizing red. Saying that we could not even think of good or bad in the first place without a positive or negative experience would be no different than saying that a blind person who thinks of the color red could not have done so without ever having visualized red. Thinking of red is not any real red in this blind person's life just as how thinking of good value, beauty, or bad value wouldn't be any real version of those things either in our lives without our positive and negative emotions.

As for your final point in regards to me not admitting, I have to just set this aside for now since I am currently focused on the discussion we are having. Actually, we could have the thought that having a longer duration of positive emotions is preferable to just a brief moment of an intense positive emotion. That thought would make us feel a positive emotion which would allow us to truly see that decision as being something good.