RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 1, 2017 at 11:30 am
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2017 at 11:31 am by Transcended Dimensions.)
(October 1, 2017 at 11:10 am)Khemikal Wrote: "You didn't read what I wrote" is becoming a common excuse on your part, for an on-going failure to competently communicate your position .
(that's operating on the generous assumption that your position -can- be competently communicated or is, itself, competent........)
You keep imagining that reading more of your posts will solve the problem...but the problem is what you keep putting in your posts...so I'm not sure why you would expect that to resolve the issue. You do not understand, and have not accurately communicated the thought experiment you keep referring to in analogy. This has been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. You then failed to find a proper application for this analogy in your chosen context. This has also been pointed out to you, and yet you persist. No amount of finding different ways to do or say that will amount to an improvement. This part of your position is a fundamental failure. Unfortunately, it's the core of your position.
That the rest of your position does not follow from that initial misapprehension, in any case, would begin to border on the bizarre, were it not so common that we, as human beings, pile unrelated items of detritus on top of each other ..each of dubious value, and then declare the result some sort of enlightenment that follows from random misapprehensions.
The conclusion you have arrived upon, itself...does not need to be established with this nonsense, and nonsense cannot establish it anyway. If we cut out the trash, we would be left with:
"I think that pleasure as an experience, is the "real good".
Okay, you're a hedonist of some sort, we already got that. A stoic disagrees. Most of us fall somewhere between those two positions. The implications of either position at the extremities are untenable to us. The edge cases. I already brought up one. If The Real Good is what you have described...then a sex offenders satisfaction qualifies, and the knowledge that sex offense is wrong...divorced from a similar satisfaction......does not. If we contend (as we would) that "some feelings" aren't good, even though they are an emotional good....then we've not only undermined our claim that happy thoughts are the only real good.....we will have modified our hedonism with stoicism. Some good feelings aren't good after all, let alone "the real good"...and particularly in the case of those good feelings..it's better to oppose them through will and thoughtful abstinence. The real good, in those cases, containing what you would call thought value judgements directly opposed to the emotional value judgement.
The only ground left, is to claim that it would be "more good" (we've already lost the categorical ground of real good, you see) if one possessed the knowledge and -did- have some profoundly associated concordant emotional response. This is merely a reassertion of your initial preference for emotional value judgements, and all of the same problems described above immediately apply, again.
Are you saying my sight analogy is somehow faulty? I don't see anything wrong with it. Also, I am not exactly sure what you mean when you are referring to the thought experiment. You are right when you say that I am a hedonist. However, I was attempting to support a whole new version of hedonism which I call New Age Hedonism. This is an entirely different version of hedonism. It is an upgraded version of hedonism since it states that our positive emotions allow us to see the good values in life like how a sighted person is able to visualize the color red and that, as long as we don't have positive emotions, then we are without any real good value in our lives just like how a person who goes blind would be without any real red in his life.
This is something completely new and different that I am just trying to support all I can. You also go on to say that my model is a problem for society due to the sex offender getting positive emotions being the real good. But during my worst miserable moments where I had no positive emotions, I have still made the choice to get myself better anyway. So, we as human beings would still make choices to help ourselves and others anyway even without the real good in our lives. If we had no positive emotions and we have simply thought that certain decisions were good to make, then it would just be like a blind person thinking of the color red, but not having any real red in his life.