RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 1, 2017 at 11:51 am
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2017 at 11:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 1, 2017 at 11:30 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: This is something completely new and different that I am just trying to support all I can. You also go on to say that my model is a problem for society due to the sex offender getting positive emotions being the real good. But during my worst miserable moments where I had no positive emotions, I have still made the choice to get myself better anyway.-and that, by your stated metrics, would not qualify as "the real good"...even though the satisfaction of the sex offender does. I'm not suggesting it would be a problem for society (obviously, it is, unless you live in a society full of rapists, lol)..I'm asking if it would be a problem...for you? Are you comfortable with the implications of the metrics you've offered...and is your comfort..a "good feeling", a reliable indicator in the first place? Bit of a rock and a hard place on this one..as any answer other than "Yes, the rapists satisfaction is real good, and my positive emotionless choice to get better is not" to the question.... will erode confidence in your previous comments.
It's not, btw, something completely new. It's just intellectually lazy hedonism. If you want to dive into hedonism, then do so...but you'll probably get further if you cease to imagine that you're coming up with a new and brilliantly enlightening variant of it. Far be it from me to suggest that you could never do so, but you obviously aren;t in a place, now, where that's going to materialize as an actuality.
The thought experiment is often called Mary, or the colorblind color scientist. I've already commented on it, and on your miscommunication -of- it. The notion is that there is something about seeing red that a blind person -cannot- possess. This may not be true, but supposing it was....it's inapplicable to human beings and emotion anyway. We are not emotion-blind. Even anhedonics aren't emotion-blind. If you did find some meaningfully emotion-blind group to properly stick the analogy too..I'll just remind you that your worldview is meaningless, and useless...to them, by definition. If they can;t feel, they can't happy thought their way out of anything...though they may, as you claim to have done...decide to climb out of that hole sans the possesion of positive emotions.....this very claim, itself, eradicating whatever remains of your comments on the real good, and what would give value to a life.
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