RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 1, 2017 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2017 at 12:03 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
(October 1, 2017 at 11:51 am)Khemikal Wrote:(October 1, 2017 at 11:30 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: This is something completely new and different that I am just trying to support all I can. You also go on to say that my model is a problem for society due to the sex offender getting positive emotions being the real good. But during my worst miserable moments where I had no positive emotions, I have still made the choice to get myself better anyway.-and that, by your stated metrics, would not qualify as "the real good"...even though the satisfaction of the sex offender does. I'm not suggesting it would be a problem for society (obviously, it is, unless you live in a society full of rapists, lol)..I'm asking if it would be a problem...for you? Are you comfortable with the implications of the metrics you've offered...and is your comfort..a "good feeling", a reliable indicator in the first place? Bit of a rock and a hard place on this one..as any answer other than "Yes, the rapists satisfaction is real good, and my positive emotionless choice to get better is not" to the question.... will erode confidence in your previous comments.
It's not, btw, something completely new. It's just intellectually lazy hedonism. If you want to dive into hedonism, then do so...but you'll probably get further if you cease to imagine that you're coming up with a new and brilliantly enlightening variant of it. Far be it from me to suggest that you could never do so, but you obviously aren;t in a place, now, where that's going to materialize as an actuality.
The thought experiment is often called Mary, or the colorblind color scientist. I've already commented on it, and on your miscommunication -of- it. The notion is that there is something about seeing red that a blind person -cannot- possess. This may not be true, but supposing it was....it's inapplicable to human beings and emotion anyway. We are not emotion-blind. Even anhedonics aren't emotion-blind.
But even though the sex offender getting the positive emotion would be the good in his life, we would still make choices to stop him anyway. I know I would. Even if I was the sex offender and got a positive emotion, I would still choose to stop harming that individual even though it would not be any real bad in my life. I would think that it would be a bad thing that I am doing this, but that would not be so and I would be choosing to stop anyway knowing the harm and consequences. Lastly, I think that people who struggle with complete anhedonia and misery are emotion-blind. This has been my own personal experience. When I was in a state of complete misery and had chosen to get help, there was no positive emotion there. I think what you are saying here is that there is the type of emotions that come through our decisions (thoughts) and then there are those euphoric and dysphoric states I've mentioned which would be their own emotions. Based upon my own personal experience, there is simply no way that a thought form of emotion can even begin to match the beauty, joy, and suffering of those other emotional states. This thought form of emotion is nothing more than just words going through my mind. That's why I conclude that there can't be any real emotion through our thoughts alone.