Emotions are intrinsically good and bad

[Edwardo Piet]

So you call an okayish feeling extremely extremely extremely mild euphoria?

It isn't really. There's nothing euphoric about extremely mild happiness that is rather "meh". Euphoria is a whole other level. It's also not always good because, yes, sadistic euphoria is a thing. So is foolish euphoria and drug crazed euphoria.


Well your definition is extremely narrow, limited, naive and philosophically unsophisticated.


Your definition is unsound then. Not all positive feelings are euphoric. All euphoria is a positive feeling (if we define "positive" as "feels good", I mean).... but not all positive feelings are euphoric.

Here's an analogy for you that actually works: Not all animals are dogs but all dogs are animals. Just as not all joy is euphoric but all euphoria is joyful (just on a more intense level). By saying that all positive emotion is euphoria otherwise it isn't a positive emotion that's like you defining all animals as dogs and saying that according to your definition if an animal isn't a dog then it isn't really an animal. Your definition is stupid then.


Well... I believe you. Because I often come across as hyperactive or super emotional online but I'm sitting here completely cool and calm too. So I can relate to that. However you do say things that are crazy like thinking that certain options on your computer screen has some sort of metaphorical meaning to your life. That's psychotic and resembles apophenia.


How would you know? Mania is often euphoric. It also isn't healthy. So there's already one example for you right there why there's more to intrinsic goodness than euphoria. Mania itself is an example of something ultimately negative that on the surface is very euphoric indeed.

I should know. I've experienced euphoric mania several times in the past.

And it's not like I even have to have that experience. Euphoric mania is very much a thing. There are really only 3 forms of mania: Euphoric mania, irritable mania and mixed state mania. The first kind indeed feeling very euphoric and including the experience of euphoria. And it feels amazing. It's also extremely dysfunctional.

And dysphoria can often be more functional than euphoria! Go figure.


Perhaps. But you alluded to some rather crazy level apophenia.


Well we certainly agree there. You do not have much insight at all.

I do though.

The reason why I agree to my personal definition of a positive and negative experience is simply because there never was one there for me independent of those euphoric and dysphoric states.  I know what I've experienced and I'm just not sure if there can be another form of a positive and negative experience in my life.

If you've only ever experienced euphoria and dysphoria and never ever experienced anything in-between then you're indeed a classic manic depressive.