RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 5, 2017 at 5:34 pm
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2017 at 5:35 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 5, 2017 at 5:07 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I told you earlier that, during my worst miserable moments, I have still believed it to be a good and beautiful thing to get help and change my life for the better. But I am telling you, there was no positive experience there. It was nothing but a negative experience.
So what? You were still right that getting help and changing your life for the better was a good idea.
Quote: There is the difference between definitions and qualities
Yes. And when you mis-define things your mis-definitions are hence irrelevant. You can call an okayish day "mildly euphoric" all you want... it won't change the fact that it isn't even close to euphoric and calling it "mildly euphoric" is pointless when we already have the words "okay", "meh" or even "happy" (not everyone agrees on how "happy" happy is. This is why personally I don't bother using emotions to describe my feelings at all, most of the time).
Quote: If I wasn't feeling hungry and I were to define a feeling of hunger as being nothing more than just the thought of getting something to eat, then there would be no feeling of hunger there.
Yes. You're proving my point. Stop messing about with definitions and metaphors because it isn't going to change the reality of your experiences.
Quote:So, even though I defined a positive/negative experience as well as good/bad as being something independent of my euphoria and dysphoria, there was none actually there.
Actually it's more like... if you have positive and negative emotional experiences that aren't as intense as euphoria or dysphoria they're still real and merely defining all experiences as either euphoric or dysphoric doesn't change the quality of the emotion that is actually there. It's just unnecessarily re-defining things for no good reason. You're right when you say that changing the words won't change the reality. So why do you call all positive experience euphoria even when mild happiness is certainly not euphoric and why do you call all negative experience dysphoria even when intense suffering can be a lot worse than dysphoric?
Quote:Therefore, that is the reason why I have to instead adhere to my own personal and new definition of a positive/negative experience and good/bad.
It's completely unnecessarily and pointless for you to use your new definitions. Why bother calling even the mildest happiest euphoria and even the most intense torture or mildly annoying itch dysphoria? We already have words for different levels of intensity with regards to good and bad feelings. Your re-definitions are completely unnecessary and pointless. You already acknowledge that definitions and words are irrelevant with regards to what is actually experienced... and then you go ahead and redefine things anyway. It's so irrational and nonsensical.
Quote: A quality of good/bad and a positive/negative experience is what I metaphorically describe as the inner light and the inner darkness.
And your metaphors are pointless, useless and unnecessary too. You've already acknowledged that words don't change the reality and yet you still insist on using the words "Inner light" and "inner darkness" as if you need them or as if it helps when you don't and it doesn't. In fact it's hurting you rather than helping you because you're wasting times focusing on metaphors instead of focusing on logically supporting your own position with valid arguments.