(October 8, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Hammy Wrote:(October 8, 2017 at 7:53 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I respect your view, but how can this be enlightenment when it would actually be a form of delusion? If you were not having any real quality of a positive experience and a positive emotion there at all and you claimed that you were just too busy enjoying your life and living in the present, then that would presuppose the existence of a positive experience and/or a positive emotion there.
What delusion????? I don't have to be meta-aware of an emotion to be aware of an emotion. I don't have to stop and think "I'm happy" to be happy.
Remember, words are irrelevant. I could believe I was miserable but if I'm actually experiencing happiness and enjoyment then I'm happy and enjoying myself.
I in hindsight am aware that I was happy. When I'm enjoying experiencing my happiness I'm too busy enjoying myself to stop and think "Oh wow I'm really happy right now." and, in fact, the moment I have that thought I'm distracted from the present moment and suddenly aren't enjoying myself anymore. It's only when I'm not stopping to reflect on my emotions that I'm enjoying my experience.
Quote: Otherwise, you would just be deluding yourself.
Nope! Never heard of the placebo effect? I may be unhappy and falsely believe I'm happy and that causes me to actually feel happy. So initially I am unhappy but my so-called delusion in fact produces happiness.
It's not possible for me to literally be enjoying the present moment and falsely believe I am enjoying myself. You do understand that, yes?
Quote:I do not see how this is any form of enlightenment at all. If you were to live by the standard of truth, then you would pay attention to your inner universe which is so vital and precious rather than focusing on the outer universe.
This is why you are very unenlightened. We live our lives in the world of phenomena. The phenomenal world is the only world that is experiencable by definition. The so-called "Outer world" is known in philosophy as the noumenal world and it is un-experiencable by definition. It's not possible for me to focus on the "outer world" and miss out on the inner world. The inner world is all we can experience. When you think you are focusing on the outside world you are actually focusing on your own experience of that world. The actual objective outer world, the noumenal world, is completely shut off to you by definition.
My focusing on the so-called "outer world" and recognizing that I am actually experiencing my own inner phenomenality experienced as what seems to be the so called "outer world" is what allows me to not tangle myself in knots like you do. I enjoy the present moment not by ignoring the inner world but by being able to focus on both worlds at once by realizing it's all one world really. As if there is a real outer world it's not experiencable anyway.
Quote: I always focus on my inner universe to see if there really is a positive experience and/or positive emotion there.
You are wrong to split this up into your inner and outer universe. Your introspection ignores the fact that by enjoying the so-called "outer world" you are actually enjoying your inner world.
Quote: If there isn't, then I am not going to delude myself.
You already are deluding yourself. If you initally enjoy your phenomenology but delude yourself into thinking you're distracting yourself from your so called "inner world" then all you are doing is limiting your true inner world and failing to enjoy its full capacity at the same time.
During my worst miserable moments, my mind was, in fact, preoccupied with activities. I had the mindset of enjoying them and that they were of good value/beauty to me. But there was really no positive experience or positive emotion there at all for me whatsoever. Therefore, these were just empty words going through my mind.