Seeds: Rebellion against the clergy - part 1.

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Why is worship needed for value to exist! they aren't the same thing or indeed related in any way, I value my family but I don't worship them.

There are levels of value. The highest thing we value by definition is what we worship. Worship is relative to how much we value things.

That right there is wrong. Worship has nothing to do with value.

It's not the amount of a non-relative sense since there is no limit to how much in that sense we should love our parents or humans let alone God. It's not a set amount that makes the valuing worship.

What are you talking about? seriously that made no sense.

It's rather a relativity. The word "god" means a being that ought to be valued relative to the highest degree by which other things pale in comparison.

I love my children equally no need to "rate their value".whatever that is  

Revering humans that are exalted and reached such stations is ok. Worship is a much higher level of reverence.

Some people want to worship I suppose. I guess its a hobby.

If you value anything, you by definition worship something.

Worship has nothing to do with value.

value
[ˈvaljuː]



NOUN

1. the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something:
   "your support is of great value"
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   desirability · benefit · gain · profit · good · service · help · helpfulness · assistance · effectiveness · efficacy · avail · importance · significance · point · sense · mileage
   • the material or monetary worth of something:
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     "equipment is included up to a total value of £500"
     
     synonyms: price · cost · worth · market price · selling price · asking price ·
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     monetary value · face value
     
   • the worth of something compared to the price paid or asked for it:
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     "the wine represents a good value for $17.95"
     
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     monetary value · face value
     
2. (values)
   
   principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life:
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4. music
   
   the relative duration of the sound signified by a note.
   
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   the meaning of a word or other linguistic unit.
   • the quality or tone of a spoken sound; the sound represented by a letter.
     
6. the relative degree of lightness or darkness of a particular colour:
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VERB
values (third person present) · valued (past tense) · valued (past participle) · valuing (present participle)

1. estimate the monetary worth of:
   "his estate was valued at £45,000"
   synonyms: evaluate · assess · estimate · appraise · assay · rate · price ·
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   put/set a price on · cost (out)
   
2. consider (someone or something) to be important or beneficial; have a high opinion of:
   "she had come to value her privacy"
   synonyms: cherished · treasured · dear · prized · favourite · precious ·
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worship isn't even a synonym of value.

  This doesn't matter whether a supernatural being exists or not.

But the fact is people are too ashamed to say they worship themselves or family or others or desires or goals they have, should tell you our nature is to Worship a perfect absolute being with no partners, and that God is the ultimate goal we all believe in.

Stop trying to shoehorn in worship where it doesn't go.

Whether such a being exists is another thing, but it tells you that our nature out of all possible things, at the very least, we are ashamed of worshiping other than him. Atheists can even argue this is why we believe in God, because we are inclined to value and love without limits, so deceive ourselves such a being exists.

You believe in god because you want to believe in god.

But I say by definition we value something, and when we want to value something most, we should really know what wins our heart, and I am not letting anything but God enter my heart, and not approaching him save through his name and door he manifests and proves to me.

In that case you are wasting your life.
That's ok, its yours to waste, as long as you don't bother anyone else or try to impose your views on anyone else you can believe whatever silly thing you want.