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[Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
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[Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
Diving in the Quran more; I have found more evidence indicating that "hell" is actually a "black hole".
Next, are the verses that made me consider this evidence pretty seriously:

1- Hell is a place where inmate "neither live" nor "die":


Quote:Sura 35, The Quran:

https://quran.com/35:36?store=false&translations=


As for the disbelievers, they will have the Fire of Hell, where they will not be ˹allowed to be˺ finished by death, nor will its torment be lightened for them. This is how We reward every ˹stubborn˺ disbeliever.


— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

2- Again, hell's inmate are described as stuck between "life" and "death":


Quote:Sura 87, The Quran:

https://quran.com/87:13?font=v1&translations=131%2C20

(11) But it will be shunned by the most wretched,

(12) who will burn in the greatest Fire,

(13) where they will not ˹be able to˺ live or die.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

The only place we know that this fate is possible, is actually a black hole:

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.


Quote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

A theory I have have is that hell is the black hole at the centre of our galaxy.
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
(December 8, 2021 at 4:51 am)WinterHold Wrote: Diving in the Quran more; I have found more evidence indicating that "hell" is actually a "black hole".
Next, are the verses that made me consider this evidence pretty seriously:

1- Hell is a place where inmate "neither live" nor "die":


Quote:Sura 35, The Quran:

https://quran.com/35:36?store=false&translations=


As for the disbelievers, they will have the Fire of Hell, where they will not be ˹allowed to be˺ finished by death, nor will its torment be lightened for them. This is how We reward every ˹stubborn˺ disbeliever.


— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

2- Again, hell's inmate are described as stuck between "life" and "death":


Quote:Sura 87, The Quran:

https://quran.com/87:13?font=v1&translations=131%2C20

(11) But it will be shunned by the most wretched,

(12) who will burn in the greatest Fire,

(13) where they will not ˹be able to˺ live or die.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

The only place we know that this fate is possible, is actually a black hole:

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.


Quote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

A theory I have have is that hell is the black hole at the centre of our galaxy.

Yeah, that's not 'a theory'.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
Why do you think that a person inside a black hole neither lives nor dies..and do you ever wonder if you might be having a crisis of faith when you look for scientific explanations for magical acts?

Additionally, I think you're aware that your magic book says an awful lot about hell. Care to toss up another twenty or two hundred descriptions of islamic hell..see if they sound like a black hole to you or anyone? I'm not really sure what to do with this notion other than encourage it, as you could only be insisting that what god meant to explain was a black hole...but somehow managed to consistently fuck it up like a common know nothing. Satan approves of your belief.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
Can I get some of your hallucinogens?
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
It is only the length of the OP that leads me to believe that you are serious, in any case, it's harmless comedy I suppose.  But, the following is truly funny and worth everyone's time:



And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
(December 8, 2021 at 5:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why do you think that a person inside a black hole neither lives nor dies..and do you ever wonder if you might be having a crisis of faith when you look for scientific explanations for magical acts?

Additionally, I think you're aware that your magic book says an awful lot about hell.  Care to toss up another twenty or two hundred descriptions of islamic hell..see if they sound like a black hole to you or anyone?  I'm not really sure what to do with this notion other than encourage it, as you could only be insisting that what god meant to explain was a black hole...but somehow managed to consistently fuck it up like a common know nothing.  Satan approves of your belief.

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.


Quote: Wrote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
(December 8, 2021 at 8:30 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(December 8, 2021 at 5:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why do you think that a person inside a black hole neither lives nor dies..and do you ever wonder if you might be having a crisis of faith when you look for scientific explanations for magical acts?

Additionally, I think you're aware that your magic book says an awful lot about hell.  Care to toss up another twenty or two hundred descriptions of islamic hell..see if they sound like a black hole to you or anyone?  I'm not really sure what to do with this notion other than encourage it, as you could only be insisting that what god meant to explain was a black hole...but somehow managed to consistently fuck it up like a common know nothing.  Satan approves of your belief.

https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bh...0of%20time.


Quote: Wrote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. For example, an object falling into the hole would appear frozen in time at the edge of the hole.

As with singularities, this derivation simply indicates that a quantum theory of gravity is needed; all physicists and mathematicians know this, of course, for the last two generations and beyond. It's not even a common topic while sipping the morning coffee in the faculty lounge.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
God that was lazy Winter...heres the rest of your quote...seems to suggest that things going on inside don't quite match what an observer outside could see.

Quote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. ... Inside the black hole, the flow of time itself draws falling objects into the center of the black hole. No force in the universe can stop this fall, any more than we can stop the flow of time.

Sensing a pattern. Gonna get around to posting any of the mountain of other things that magic book said, or is that all there is to this? In all of magic books descriptions of hell, you glommed onto a single sentence about not living or dying, decided that was time stopping, and then..glommed onto a single sentence about black holes, likewise ignoring everything else you might easily find..even things you obviously -did- find..like that full quote, just like you did with your own magic book.

-and they say we're the infidels and unbelievers.....
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
(December 8, 2021 at 10:25 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: God that was lazy Winter...heres the rest of your quote...seems to suggest that things going on inside don't quite match what an observer outside could see.  

Quote:Near a black hole, the slowing of time is extreme. From the viewpoint of an observer outside the black hole, time stops. ... Inside the black hole, the flow of time itself draws falling objects into the center of the black hole. No force in the universe can stop this fall, any more than we can stop the flow of time.

Sensing a pattern.  Gonna get around to posting any of the mountain of other things that magic book said, or is that all there is to this?  In all of magic books descriptions of hell, you glommed onto a single sentence about not living or dying, decided that was time stopping, and then..glommed onto a single sentence about black holes, likewise ignoring everything else you might easily find..even things you obviously -did- find..like that full quote, just like you did with your own magic book.

-and they say we're the infidels and unbelievers.....
You are. Make no mistake. You make some good points, but your approach is too cynical to truly convince anyone.
"Imagination, life is your creation."
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RE: [Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part II
You think I'm trying to convince this islamist of something? That's a fools errand.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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