(October 11, 2017 at 8:21 pm)lol Khemikal Wrote: I think you might want to explore why the people who abandoned her did so, rather than her own version of events.
Fair enough.
Quote:I'm just trying to find out what specifically about how bigots act you're referring to. If it amounts to "I think that sjws are acting like assholes"....well, I'm sure that's got to be true at least some of the time..but I don't know why it would be a useful criticism of sjws, or a reason to liken them to any bigot they oppose. Oppose bigotry, but be nice about it? So..yeah, clarification is required..because your comments in that regard might be meaningful but they might also be a bit ridiculous.
They're definitely acting like assholes, lol, but there are a few that act just like the racists themselves in who they see as the enemy and how they treat them. With certain feminists it's men, with those in the LGBT movement it's the CISgendered or straights, and with minority groups it's the whites or the police force.
These SJWs treat their perceived adversaries like sexists, bigots and racists treat them. As if they are all that way. Or at least enough of them are as to justify their behavior.
Sure, what goes around comes around is fair enough I suppose. Unless one is looking to actually better these issues.
Quote:Pulling a fire alarm? That was pretty clever. Illegal too. Do you equate radical feminism with sjw culture?
Depends on what we're talking about, radical feminism in the States, Canada and most of the 1st World? Yes I'd say that it's fair to say they're SJWs. Third wave "intersectional" feminism is basically the oppression olympics. Just ask Sarkeesian and her pals, everything is sexist everything is offensive.
Radical feminists in Islamic states where feminism can actually do some much needed good? Definitely not.
Quote:Not really an issue of my criteria..trying to establish yours by the examples so we could have a substantive discussion. I find that I broadly agree with her on some points. Freedom of speech is not the freedom to speak wherever you want, and a student body does have a say in what their fees pay for. There's always some other place to go and be a bigot with their bigot buddies.*my emphasis*
You're exactly right with the bolded bit, except for one niggling thing on that last bit. Where do we draw the line on bigotry? In the video we're met with the banning of a woman (Julie Bindle) who had been working for women's rights for years, now banned from speaking because of a difference in opinion on transgender issues.
Does that seem like social justice to you? Are we to have differences in opinion (not hate speech) become bigotry if they're different from a certain group's view?
Quote:So, again I have to ask..when you speak of sjws..are you thinking specifically or largely of feminists?
I think a large part of third wave feminism is comprised of SJWs. I say "think" because that has been my experience with them, and the experience of many others, but I know anecdote doesn't always describe reality at large.
Quote:This is a good one. Breaks the pattern from before. Seems that some of the protesters took issue with being filmed. They wanted a safe space, he wanted a story. Personally, I side with the reporter on this one, though that's unsurprising.
The threat of unprovoked violence that came along with this one was especially distasteful to me.
Quote:It begs the question...do you see the creation of or insistence for safe spaces as censorship in the general, or do you see this as a more specific and explicit example of censorship beyond the issue of safe spaces?
I think that safe spaces present more issues than one might originally think, but they don't really become censorship until something like this occurs. This entire fiasco is like a living representation of what can go wrong with "safe space". Wanting to have a space where a group can come together offering solace and an echo chamber is one thing, I don't particularly care aside from finding it ridiculous on its face, but when you do it on public grounds -during a large protest no less- and then threaten violence on the people around you for doing their jobs? That's a big fucking problem, it's beyond censorship to me, it's entitlement and a breeding ground for more needless violence.
Quote:What makes this sjw censorship? I sometimes suspect that "sjw culture" is a dumpster term. Help dispel that notion.
I've said before that SJWs are defined to me by their actions and how they go about supporting their ideals (typically ideals of a liberal/humanitarian nature). Given why they were there, the safe space "no outsiders allowed" mindset of the crowd, and Click's volatile, borderline violent, reaction to the reporter (read outsider) are hallmark signs of SJW mentality.