RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
October 12, 2017 at 11:25 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2017 at 11:35 pm by speedyj1992.)
(July 27, 2017 at 4:07 pm)Drich Wrote: all it takes according to Christ is a mustard seed's worth of faith.
(The smallest amount) and God will move mountains of doubt.
I found you need the faith to simply ask and then follow where God leads.
That was better put than I could have put it, thank you for saying that. Of course, it requires action on our parts (hence the "follow" you mentioned), and not following means you're going to stay where you are, in a place of faithlessness. Alternatively, you could go in the wrong direction, or your own direction (aka not actually following) and end up in the wrong place and blame God, which happens a lot, unfortunately.
(October 12, 2017 at 8:45 pm)Cyberman Wrote:(October 7, 2017 at 12:23 pm)speedyj1992 Wrote: There is evidence - look at the universe. Look at life - how could this have happened by chance? From there, it's just a matter of what deity makes best sense, and from there, the Bible provides a lot of evidence (yup, your forums have been invaded by a Christian - I was once an atheist so I get it). I guess, ask me about it - I'll try and respond, but I'm not sure how to turn on notifications for this site.
How many court cases are won by the prosecution saying "just look at his face - he looks guilty!"
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Stop being fucking childish.
I think you're taking the point I made and making it about something else, because that's not what I'm trying to get at - let's use "Doctor Who" as a springboard to form an example of what I'm trying to get at because of your screenname, and because I'm a nerd and understand things based on nerdy comparisons best because it makes me more engaged (plus, this will be more fun to write this way).
Your typical DW episode is usually a (clever) variation on the Doctor and his companion (soon going to be "her", and I'm totally down with Jodie Whittaker, even if she's not ginger) coming to a place or time, learning a bit about it, seeing there's something wrong based on what they know, and then trying to save people. The Doctor will often say things such as, "No, this can't have happened like this" because of his extensive knowledge - he doesn't assume that something hasn't or has happened because of how it looks, but based on knowledge. Our knowledge of the universe's complexity seems to increase all the time, for the better in my opinion, and the more complicated it is, the more likely it is that it wasn't by chance. Because all these particles had to form in order for us to get really complex planets and LIFE all on its own, and we just don't se that happening today - a tornado can't form a Boeing 737 by chance even if it went through a bunch of junkyards with all the parts.
Basically, we have order, and there was once chaos (in both the Big Bang model and the God model), but now we have order. If chaos can only breed more chaos, how do we have order? But if we have God, it would make sense that we would have order.
