RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 14, 2017 at 11:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2017 at 11:42 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 14, 2017 at 9:42 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I would compare this state of mind (words) to those horrible miserable states of mind I have had in the past (a negative emotion) and the conclusion is that words are just words.
No shit Sherlock.
Quote: They do not possess the power of those horrible miserable states which means that these words possess no real horrible quality to them.
Duh. This is why I always say positive thinking is complete bullshit. As is mindfulness when it pretends that observing a state of mind can change that state of mind. It can't. A state of mind is a state of mind. Observing it change is not changing it. It's like when people think thoughts and think they are choosing those thoughts. They are deluded. All they are aware of is their thoughts coming in and out of consciousness. There is absolutely no evidence even subjectively that they choose their thoughts. It doesn't even seem to them that they choose their thoughts. They merely believe it does. Free will isn't even an illusion... it's a delusion.
And if you don't believe in your own self-talk then observing it would be pointless... and if you do believe in your own self-talk then observing it would be futile.
I observe my self-talk for pleasure or interest only. But it isn't my self-talk that gives me pleasure or makes me feel interested. That would mean that I was experiencing an effect that has effects... and my consciousness/self-talk doesn't have effects.
No, when I enjoy my self talk it is the self talk itself that is the experience enjoyment in that instance.
Emotions are conscious states that are completely useless and have no effects. But they are better (or worse) than useless.
Quote: They are just thoughts of certain qualities, but they, themselves, do not possess any real horrible or beautiful quality in my life.
Yes. And what's moreover I believe that conscious thought is entirely useless. In that... it would have the same effects if it were unconscious. I'm an epiphenomenalist and believe consciousness is an effect that has no effects. My own consciousness is completely useless. When I seem to act upon my thinking I am actually acting on unconscious thought processes and my conscious thought is merely an effect that reflects that. Science also backs this up. There have been many peer reviewed experiments that demonstrate that our subconscious mind carries out our decisions before our conscious minds are even aware of them. This is also my personal experience. (I enjoy being mindful and I enjoy experiencing understanding how my own mind seems to work directly... as useless as I think my consciousness itself is).
Quote:That's the reason why it can only be my positive and negative emotions that can give my life real good and bad value since they are a real quality of good and bad in my life.
Well it's already completely obvious that that's all that can give you value. Most people just dispute whether that's 'objective' or not.
But again, it depends what you mean by 'emotions'. Emotionality covers feelings that are very real and give your life meaning even when those feelings haven't yet been categorized into specific 'emotions' and it's just some form of vague positive or negative emotionality without a specific name that is called a specific emotion.