(October 15, 2017 at 11:41 am)notimportant1234 Wrote:(October 15, 2017 at 11:30 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Suppose I told you not to stand in the middle of a busy street so you don't get run over, but I phrased it as, 'Neef norp de glorp flagnel.' You would have no idea what I meant. You go and stand in the middle of the street, get run over, and as punishment for doing what I told you not to do but couldn't understand I chop off both your legs.
This is precisely the case with the Eden myth - God punished Adam for a wrong act, but Adam couldn't conceive of the concept of wrongness until he committed the act for which he was exiled.
God didn't forbid Adam to take the apple because he didn't need it, he simply forbade him, with no explanation.
God (according to the manual) knows everything. The notion that God wanted to 'see if man could exist without the knowledge of good and evil' is ludicrous on the face of it. God knew Adam was going to disobey from the moment he was created. This is akin to building a house, knowing all the while that you're going to deliberately burn it to the ground.
God myths (the one here is no exception) are nothing more than the attempts of primitive peoples to explain why everything sucks, no more or less to be believed than the folk tales of any other culture.
Boru
Because this: Omniscient means 'knows everything'. In the case of God's relationship to the universe, it means that God knows everything that is ever going to happen. What is more, God has always had this knowledge. The inevitable consequences is that there is nothing I can do that God hasn't foreseen, no choice I can make that God hasn't always known about.
Where then is free will? If I'm trying to decide which shoe to put on first, or which hand to stir my coffee with, these 'decisions' are part and parcel of what God knows. The only way I can have free will is to act in a way that God hasn't foreseen - in other words, to have the ability to do something that God didn't know was going to happen. If I can do that, then God can't be omniscient.
Boru
Okey , God knows what you are going to do , but doesn't prevent you from doing it , that is free will
Nope. In order for God to know what I am going to do, I have to do what God knows. The stipulation that God is omniscient prevents my acting in any non-predetermined way.
How is God 'preventing' my doing something free will? If God prevents an action on my part, my will is even less free.
Boru
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