RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2017 at 6:18 pm by Whateverist.)
(October 15, 2017 at 5:45 am)bennyboy Wrote:(October 14, 2017 at 9:37 pm)Hammy Wrote: It's irrelevant when people disagree on the matter. Because 'objective' does not mean 'universal'.You've missed the point. It's not about choosing the "right" definition. It's the fact that we are begging the question: defining good and bad IN TERMS OF how we feel, and then acting deepity when we find that feelings are intrinsically good or bad. It's like defining a table as an object a flat top, and then saying that a table is intrinsically flat.
Objectivity precisely means that disagreement is irrelevant because there are objectively right and wrong answers regardless of agreement or disagreement on the matter.
And the fact that definitions themselves cannot be proven to be objectively the right definitions is irrelevant too. Defintions are the premises. Scientists don't have to prove that they are using the 'right definitions' before it becomes objective. The words are picked out subjectively and they're used to label things in the world that really do have right and wrong answers. Definitions can NEVER be proved objectively to be the 'right definition'. You could make the common objections of people being able to prove that their own definition of objective morality was the right one... against anything. The point is whether ANY definition maps correctly onto the real world. The fact people disagree over definitions is irrelevant.
In the case of feelings, when we say they are "good," it means that we like the feeling and would like to have more of it. We define feeling good in those positive motivational terms. Defining something as A, and then finding that the thing possesses the quality of A, is not very useful, although with enough words it can sound deepity enough to impress young hippies.
If I knew how to place something in the posting hall of fame, this would already be there. Kudos to you, sir. Kudos I say.
(October 15, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:(October 15, 2017 at 6:00 pm)bennyboy Wrote: TD, are you trying to battle depression with a positive outlook?
Yes. I am hoping that a positive mindset alone can somehow possess a real positive quality in my life to give my life real good value. So far, I have witnessed no such thing. My depression was miserable states due to emotional trauma. This means my depression wasn't clinical depression (a mood disorder).
Have you heard the good news? Depression is no more eternal than was your time pre-depression. Doesn't help it go away but once you've gotten treatment, maybe you can just be patient and allow yourself to do a few low-key, non-downer activities to while away the time while you regain your equilibrium. Keep your expectations low. Nothing that used to make you euphoric before will 'work' if you expect the same now. But gradually you may find some little bit of interest return to walking, reading or whatever. Go with it, nothing lasts forever.