RE: Thoughts on Hell?
October 17, 2017 at 5:03 am
(This post was last modified: October 17, 2017 at 5:16 am by pocaracas.)
(October 17, 2017 at 4:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: It is rather simple if one wants to know God, He has asked that you come to Him through faith and He will give you proof of His existence. Now that faith means one has to admit they are sinful and desire God's forgiveness through Christ and the relationship begins. God did not make it complicated, through Jesus He has simplified things, the only thing you have to sacrifice is your pride, not your life not animals nor live by the Jewish law that is a burden, Christ took care of all that for us.
What your "kind" fails to understand is that self-deception (aka faith) is not a trustworthy method to arrive at any sort of reliable information.
And knowing that you can deceive yourself of nearly anything, a person who is really desiring to find out how everything works will try to eliminate as many such deceptions as possible.
As children, people usually let go of the faith in Santa... That they hold on so strongly to the god deception just shows how powerfully society reinforces that deception.
Society and psychology... understand these and you understand why people believe in gods. Why there are different gods in different parts of the world, why different religions go to war. Sadly, most people can't even glimpse these two disciplines.
(October 17, 2017 at 4:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:(October 17, 2017 at 4:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: What does "before creation" mean?
Does time exist without it being created?
Is god's existence contingent on the existence of time?
Or is a book written 2000 years ago too primitive to even begin to grasp these questions?... let alone even try to provide an answer.
It means God is omnipresent and that He saw what was going to happen before creation, God hasn't changed just because he created the universe and brought everything into existence. Right time was created, for us not God He is eternal, He has always existed. That old book has the answers to everything we need to know to live in a relationship with God and he will explain it to those who are interested in that relationship. Pretenders need not apply.
GC
What does it mean to be eternal, in the absence of time?!
What does it mean to create something in the absence of time?!
What does it mean to create time?!
What does "always" mean in the absence of time?!
You need to be careful with the words you use. I know you're not used to think about these things, but you should try.
You are advocating that, god exists in a state where no time exists. And that, somehow, without any time, god manages to generate a region of space and time. And then you claim further that god permeates through all of the created time, knowing all the events that take place within this region it generated.
Can you understand that this raises a bunch of questions about the nature of this entity?
And the least important of those is - why the heck would that god care if any particular individual on this blue floating marble believes that it exists or not?
Bonus question for shits and giggles! If he saw what was going to happen before creation, then (within your temporal framework where things can happen without time) anything we do has been seen - it is thus fixed, and no free will really exists. Everything we do, everything we're going to do, has already been seen. It is already known. It is predetermined. Why would such a god have made things in such a way as to make me not believe in it, knowing full well that would be so?
