Thoughts on Hell?

[Joods]

As far as sin and hell goes, even if you ignore all the atheists (which isn't fair because there's no proof) what about people who grew up in places where Christianity is not the main religion? As far as they know they're doing right and may even be forced to participate in their religion. Do they really deserve to go to hell? God created all those people knowing he would send them to hell.

All that have heard about Christ and reject Him are atheist, and will be judged for their sin. Those who haven't heard of Christ will come under a judgement God has set up for them, it will have to do with who they are in their hearts. It's not for me to say who deserves hell, scripture tells us that all men deserve hell and the only ones that will escape are those who find themselves in God's grace through Christ. I've said this so many time I would think by now you all would understand that God doesn't send people to hell, they choose and make their hell in a place set aside for them. Understand that not all will suffer as much as others, your life here and now will determine your suffering if you reject Christ. All will suffer greatly, but it will be by each ones life.

Now if Christian god gave the world real proof he exists, by that I mean proving it to everybody, from the beginning to now, there would be no atheists and no other religions. This should be well within his power

Sure God could provide proof of His existence, but then not all would come to God in love and this is what God wants, for us to love Him as He loves us. That's why I keep saying Christianity is a relationship with God. Just saying you believe in Christ doesn't make it so, there are actions that will prove it and the NT is very clear on this. By the way God proved himself to Pharaoh yet He did not believe God was who He said He was.

Again god has refused to give proof and I don't get why this is if he actually exists. I don't believe he does. It's not reasonable to expect people to believe in something when you haven't provided proof, and it's not moral to punish them when they don't believe.

 First of all immoral man has no right saying God is not moral. Second God has warned that the rejection of His Son is on each individual and is their choice. 

It is rather simple if one wants to know God, He has asked that you come to Him through faith and He will give you proof of His existence. Now that faith means one has to admit they are sinful and desire God's forgiveness through Christ and the relationship begins. God did not make it complicated, through Jesus He has simplified things, the only thing you have to sacrifice is your pride, not your life not animals nor live by the Jewish law that is a burden, Christ took care of all that for us.

GC

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And yet you responded, generating an alert and arousing my curiosity as to what barmy thing you had said this time.  *sigh*

 I responded to let you know if hell is your choice then so be it, I can't change what you desire and glad I do not have to live with your choice.

GC

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Your supposed god certainly didn't fax his word down to us, and we certainly cannot accept the word of fallible men who make claims of being divinely inspired.

Then you will receive what you ask for, you will face the God who created this vast universe through spoken word alone and you will be without excuse.

GC

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What does "before creation" mean?
Does time exist without it being created?
Is god's existence contingent on the existence of time?

Or is a book written 2000 years ago too primitive to even begin to grasp these questions?... let alone even try to provide an answer.

It means God is omnipresent and that He saw what was going to happen before creation, God hasn't changed just because he created the universe and brought everything into existence. Right time was created, for us not God He is eternal, He has always existed. That old book has the answers to everything we need to know to live in a relationship with God and he will explain it to those who are interested in that relationship. Pretenders need not apply.

GC

emphasis mine.

What this means is that you don't understand the question.

 What you did is against forum rules you used a post from pocaracas that came after the quote you used of mine. This is as dishonest as it comes and it seems to be a good representation of how low some atheist will go to win kudos from his fellow atheist. It also shows how dumb the who gave you kudos really is. This tactic is beyond shameful it is a deliberate attack upon another.

Actually, he didn't. You responded to Pocaracas in a post that you also responded to others in. So Poca's post didn't come AFTER your response. It came before. It had to in order for you to reply to it. The original post with the relevant section is in blue, above. All Downbeatplumb did was take out the irrelevant sections to address the one section he wanted to comment on. He left everything in order the way you had it. I don't see that as being dishonest. Look for yourself.