RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
October 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm by Transcended Dimensions.)
(October 30, 2017 at 11:50 am)Khemikal Wrote: You seem to be trying to split the baby between some category of mental state you consider an emotional value judgement and a thinking value judgement, and refuse to consider any instance in which the two are the same.
You say alot of things, none of which carry any weight of authority.
It makes no sense to me to say that they are the same thing. For example, I will point out to you this study:
Quote:We have found a special hedonic hotspot that is crucial for reward 'liking' and 'wanting' (and codes reward learning too). The opioid hedonic hotspot is shown in red above. It works together with another hedonic hotspot in the more famous nucleus accumbens to generate pleasure 'liking'.
‘Liking’ and ‘wanting’ food rewards: Brain substrates and roles in eating disorders
Kent C. Berridge 2009 Mar 29.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2717031/
As you can see here, there is a distinction between thoughts and emotions since there is the reward wanting and liking (a positive emotion generated by the nucleus accumbens) and then there is a form of wanting and liking which is not an emotion at all, but is simply the thought of wanting and liking. That is why I personally think that there is a distinction between thoughts and emotions. There is the thought of value in our lives and then there is an emotion of value in our lives. The emotional value is the real value while the thought form of value is only the thought of value, but does not give our lives any real value. This means that there really is no subjective wanting and liking since it is only the thought of wanting and liking, but no real wanting and liking regardless of what that study points out and says otherwise.
So, thoughts themselves just give us ideas of certain things such as the idea of value, joy, beauty, sounds, smells, visuals, wanting, liking, disliking, emotions, hunger, thirst, pain, misery, suffering, love, hate, food, water, etc., but these thoughts themselves do not bring our lives any real version of those things. We can still take action and make choices through ideas alone such as eating something when we are not hungry or claiming that our lives have real value through the helping of others and through our mindsets alone, but such actions and judgments do not mean that we are hungry or that our lives have real perceived value. Saying that mindsets themselves can be emotional states that give our lives real perceived values would, again, be no different than a person believing he was hungry when he wasn't just because he claimed that he was hungry and got up and got something to eat.