(August 5, 2011 at 7:54 pm)C Rod Wrote: That's the answer i always get, from somebody like you. I was hoping something more wonderful or different, something inspiring and vulnerable, something to be considered. Since your a man of observation, may i ask you what is perfect; what thing can you prove to me is perfect?Science is the best way yet invented by humans in verifying the truth from things we would like to be true, but aren't. It doesn't make any claim about being wonderful, inspiring, vulnerable etc. You would need to go to more philosophical discussions around aesthetics for that. But meanwhile while your tip- tapping on your PC just remember that it was discoveries in quantum mechanics, electricity, material science that led you to have a PC at all. And whilst you may wish to poke fun at scientific endeavors it is the same standard that led to those discoveries being applied to all scientific endeavours be it evolution or abiogenesis. The things we have never seen in science is a god, or a heaven, or a hand descending from the sky zapping rabbits into instant being. Of course there could be an immaterial, invisible, ineffable, unknowable all perfect super thing out there ( which is simultaneously has a mind more complex than the universe but is also the simplest being possible) playing hide and seek with us and always winning. Or and it may be a bit mundane we live in a universe without such a creature and we are biological scum on the surface of an ordinary planet, wheeling it's way around an ordinary main sequence star. Whilst you may find that an unappealing vision, there is no evidence at all for your wish thinking and an awful lot of evidence which contradicts it. So if you want to play silly games about things like perfection, go for it. You believe there is a perfect god, prove that that god can exist deductively and inductively...the floor is yours
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
