RE: Morality
November 1, 2017 at 4:57 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2017 at 4:58 am by WinterHold.)
(October 31, 2017 at 8:27 am)SaStrike Wrote: You seem to be able to think rationally and critically about everything besides islam. Brainwashed. But I know you'll be able to break free.
Anyway, more on topic, yes I think morality is subjective and I agree with the point you're trying to make. Please just don't go quoting the quran and claiming because morality is subjective there is a god and heaven and hell etc.
In fact, let's use your example about having sex without being married.
Do you not partake in this because of fear of hell or because of the actual reason you mentioned? Or maybe your fear of hell has tricked you into making up the reason and justification in the first place? What about atheists who don't have children before marriage? I think you have a long way before jumping into the "god did it" line. Maybe your point was just to say that morality is subjective and nothing related to religion (if so I apologise)
It's subjective in the most absolute way: it's subjective even to God himself. I think and believe that the will of God is the decider of what the morals should be; so by definition: it's subject to the will of God.
It's the trap many religious fall in: morals are not above God. God is above them since he created them; it's a subjective universe that was made and created by the will of God. It's his will after all.
Fear of hell -and God's punishment in general- helps me to keep on holding myself from doing "things that God subjectively say they are wrong-. The subjective opinion of God is the absolute truth though according to my believe. He only wishes the truth, orders the truth.
I think logic is his gift to our minds to believe in him, and believe that his subjective will is the absolute truth. So it's not just fear of hell or punishment; it's fear of following illogical routes than end up in a blocked wall; being wrong.
(October 31, 2017 at 8:43 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:(October 30, 2017 at 11:41 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know anything about philosophy; and I'll be a liar if I said that I'm interested in it. To me; life is pretty much obvious; the shortest simple path is always the correct one; so no need for mazes and complications of what is simple.I need money. You have money. I kill you and take your money. Short and simple.
Moral? Correct?
Law of the jungle. It always comes down to this exact law no matter how complicated a human society and culture seemed.
