(November 8, 2017 at 6:45 am)Hammy Wrote: Good luck with your journey, TD, I think you misunderstand the way philosophy and logic works and I think you are failing to address my points, but good luck with everything. Sorry I couldn't help. I think you are misled.
Understood. However, I just like to share my worldview and personal values to others anyway. So, if you just want to read and respond to what I have to say here, go ahead. But if you don't, then that is fine:
When you analyze value, then you are only having ideas of value going through your mind. But you are still not actually seeing that value. Here is what seeing value actually means. When you feel a positive biochemical emotion, then it is like you are seeing the good value and beauty of things in this world through the eyes of an angel. It is something entirely distinct from rationalizations, intellectualizing, analyzing things, etc. No intellectual faculty can ever replace these profoundly spiritual eyes of an angel that we call a positive emotion.
Likewise, seeing the bad value through a negative emotion is like the eyes of pure darkness or that of a disgusting being or demon. What I am saying here is that our positive emotions allow us to perceive good value on a level that transcends intellect. Intellect is nothing more than just thoughts or ideas of things and situations. I will represent this as 3 beings. The 1st being is an inferior, disgusting demon or goblin from the lower realms who represents our negative emotions. The 2nd being would be Spok from Star Trek who represents intellect, and the 3rd being would be a transcended, angelic being from the higher heavens who represents our positive emotions.
Compared to the disgusting, inferior goblin, Spok would be transcended. But Spok would just be living his life by empty words. However, compared to Spok, the angel would be the transcended being and he would be living his life by the real and absolute good values. Therefore, the goal is to become the angel and not to become Spok or, even worse, the disgusting, inferior goblin or demon. I will also represent this as numbers. The inferior goblin (our negative emotions) would be the negative numbers, Spok (intellect) would be the number zero, and the angel (our positive emotions) would be the positive numbers.
Being at the negative stage or the zero stage is no way to live or be an artist. It can only be the positive stage which is the way to live and be an artist. Lastly, I will represent this as the 3 afterlives that are often presented in spiritual and religious beliefs. The 1st would be hell (our negative emotions), the 2nd would be limbo (our intellect), and the 3rd would be heaven (our positive emotions). Heaven is where we all need to be since that is where all the true good value and joy is at. As long as we are the beings of darkness, then we cannot truly see the good values and beauty of things in this universe and as long as we are neither beings of darkness nor beings of light, then we also cannot see these good values. It is only once we become beings of light that we can truly see the beauty and good values in this universe.