RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 1:44 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2017 at 1:48 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(November 9, 2017 at 1:17 pm)pool the matey Wrote:LadyForCamus Wrote:Pardon me for being confused. I'm not sure where the "gotcha" comes in? We talk about a lack of scientific for god's existence all the time without ever mentioning the Bible, because the Bible isn't evidence, lol. It seems you agree with us on this point?
So my argument is this:
* Only scientific works or works that claim that they can withstand scientific scrutiny can be subject to scientific scrutiny.
Well, no. That is exactly what science does. I think you have this backwards. Science can, in fact, scrutinize the Bible, and make the determination that it isn't a scientific work. We don't need the book itself to tell us that, lol.
Quote:* Bible doesn't claim it's a scientific work nor does it claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny.
Sure. Did someone tell you otherwise?
Quote:* So if someone asks for scientific evidence for God it also carries a implicit claim that Bible has claimed it is a scientific work or that it can withstand scientific scrutiny.
No, that doesn't follow. The Bible has nothing to do with a discussion about scientific evidence for god, because it isn't scientific. And, unless someone explicitly claims that it is, It's your strawman.
(November 9, 2017 at 1:27 pm)pool the matey Wrote:(November 9, 2017 at 1:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'd like to take this a step even further. If your position is, "I can believe anything I want based on faith alone,' then you arent even participating in a debate. What can't a person believe on faith? I can say, "I believe there is a dragon in my basement. I have no evidence, but I have faith, and that's enough for me." Who can argue with that? It's a non-starter.
pool Wrote:So my argument is this:
* Only scientific works or works that claim that they can withstand scientific scrutiny can be subject to scientific scrutiny.
* Bible doesn't claim it's a scientific work nor does it claim that it can withstand scientific scrutiny.
* So if someone asks for scientific evidence for God it also carries a implicit claim that Bible has claimed it is a scientific work or that it can withstand scientific scrutiny. This implicit claim is what I called the straw.
I see your point but like I said it's just a gotcha. It's just in stock to use against someone that use a similar gotcha instead of engaging in a conversation.
I've never once heard an atheist make the claim that the Bible is a scientific work, but okay.
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