RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 14, 2017 at 10:42 am
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2017 at 10:47 am by Mister Agenda.)
SteveII Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Cool, God exists as an abstract object, the same way faeries do, as an idea. I already knew that. So you had no inkling that by 'exist' I meant actually exist independently in reality, not just in people's heads? Didn't even cross your mind?
What are you talking about? You asked: "Can anyone think of an example of an object or entity that has actually been proven to exist by argument alone, no evidence, besides a deity?"
I answered: Abstract objects. I never commented on whether God was an abstract object or why you think that any deity has ever been proven to exist by argument alone.
Do you think the concept of 7 or [p then q; p therefore q] is just in people's head or is an aspect of reality independent of the our minds?
ob·ject
noun
noun: object; plural noun: objects
/ˈäbjekt/
1. a material thing that can be seen and touched.
"he was dragging a large object"
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The answer 'abstract objects' was not an answer to my question. 'Abstract' is a qualifier that no reasonable person could honestly infer that I intended.
I am allowed to bring up God, even if you didn't. If you don't like that the sense in which you're using 'exist' when you answered my question allows me to point out that the same use of 'exist' moots the ontological argument, maybe you shouldn't weasel with semantics.
The concept of 7' is in our heads by definition, that's what concepts are. '7' is not independent of our minds, because without a mind, there's no concept of '7'. If there were 7 rocks on the beach without a mind to count them or decide to focus on how many rocks there are instead of grains of sand, or distinguish grains of sand from rocks, or limit the number of rocks to those visible to a person standing on that beach; etc. '7' would be meaningless.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.