Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency

[Mister Agenda]

And without a mind to form a concept by abstraction, what would be the status of some potentially abstractable quality? It seems that it would remain unabstracted, and be none the worse for it.

That would make the quality something objectively real independent of any mind perceiving it. If there were no minds, diamonds would still be hard, wood would still be flammable, stars would still have mass, photons would still travel at the speed of light, and collections of objects would still be numerable.

Things would still have properties, but those properties would not be generalized into concepts, they'd just be. I'm not sure it makes sense to say that collections of objects would be numerable without a mind to count them (or decide they're collections).

In any case, you seem to be focused on the reverse of what I asked about. Of course abstractions can be derived from objects. I asked for an object (a material object, not a conceptual one, since apparently that can't be taken as given) to be derived from an abstraction, unsupported by material evidence.