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Testimony: Are we being hypocritical?
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RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical?
(November 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(November 19, 2017 at 6:06 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: For me the question has never been if testimony can be accepted as evidence, but if it can be accepted as evidence on it's own.

It's the same question in this case.  What evidence will there be for sexual assault that happened maybe a decade or more ago?

On the other side of that, how reliable is testimony on events that happened a decade or more ago? I'm not ready to throw anyone in prison with the only evidence being reliant on the very unreliable human memory.

(November 19, 2017 at 10:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(November 19, 2017 at 10:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Yes, but having reasons for accepting the testimony beyond the testimony in and of itself requires that I make judgement calls and subjective evaluations of factors such as source and witness credibility, the personal/professional history of the accused, and my overall level of credulity for the accusation itself, taking context into account.  The testimony alone isn't evidence, but neither are these other reasons that I have concluded support it.  Are they?

There's real danger here, on both sides.  There is a possibility that you accept testimony from a woman, and then charge a man with a crime he never committed.  There's also a possibility that you refuse to accept testimony from a woman, and then a man is never charged with a crime he definitely committed.

Does the seriousness of the crime determine the degree to which it should be considered without good evidence?  In colleges, the answer is very clearly yes-- if a girl accuses a boy of sexual misconduct, he's likely in for a world of pain.  If she can talk two friends into supporting her-- he may be fucked.  The same goes for teachers.

But the former state was no better, when women who were brave enough to stand up and be heard would be asked for evidence, or asked about their motivations, or whether they were leading the guy on.

tbh I don't have an answer for this.  It really seems that there's no right position here.

"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved."

~Benjamin Franklin
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
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Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 10:20 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Aoi Magi - November 19, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Mister Agenda - November 19, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by possibletarian - November 19, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 12:37 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by vorlon13 - November 19, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Catholic_Lady - November 19, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Mister Agenda - November 20, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 20, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 20, 2017 at 10:15 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 20, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Fireball - November 20, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by SteveII - November 20, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2017 at 11:06 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Whateverist - November 19, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 1:27 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Aoi Magi - November 19, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by bennyboy - November 19, 2017 at 10:47 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by downbeatplumb - November 19, 2017 at 1:46 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by chimp3 - November 19, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 10:49 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by brewer - November 19, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 2:49 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by brewer - November 19, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 2:54 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 19, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by vorlon13 - November 19, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 19, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LastPoet - November 19, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by MysticKnight - November 19, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 10:33 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 19, 2017 at 10:46 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Fireball - November 19, 2017 at 11:23 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Whateverist - November 19, 2017 at 11:31 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 20, 2017 at 11:25 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Whateverist - November 19, 2017 at 11:23 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 11:35 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 6:06 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by bennyboy - November 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 10:05 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 10:51 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by bennyboy - November 19, 2017 at 11:36 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 11:53 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by bennyboy - November 20, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 20, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by MysticKnight - November 19, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Minimalist - November 19, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 19, 2017 at 10:30 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 19, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 11:20 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 19, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Ravenshire - November 19, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 19, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 19, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Fireball - November 19, 2017 at 11:52 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Whateverist - November 20, 2017 at 12:01 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 20, 2017 at 12:05 am
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RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by paulpablo - November 20, 2017 at 12:21 am
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RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Whateverist - November 20, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 20, 2017 at 6:00 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 20, 2017 at 7:09 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by Amarok - November 20, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by WinterHold - November 21, 2017 at 8:28 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by LadyForCamus - November 21, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by WinterHold - November 21, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Testimony: Are we being hypocritical? - by WinterHold - November 21, 2017 at 3:20 pm
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