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Problems with atheism
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RE: Problems with atheism
(August 17, 2011 at 5:55 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I think there's been a disconnect. Yes, God, ...

My name is Godnose. I don't know who this "God" is that you keep mentioning and whose chain you wish to yank (does that make you a "yanker", btw?)

Anyway, just in case you meant to address me:

Quote:people do bring up the idea of atheist churches very frequently.

Aha! So there is some demand then. Interesting.

Quote: People also insinuate that atheism's "weakness" is it's inability to be compatible with religious tradition.

Not me though. I said something to the effect that it would be a good thing for atheism to be able to replicate some of the useful roles carried out by churches. Which is not at all the same thing, eg I'm not proposing worship.

I want to get rid of religion, which because it is fundamentally based upon falsehoods I think is a flawed system for social cohesion. However it does have many useful and productive functions, and they need to be replaced. That is a pro-atheist position, not anti. I want atheism to become the norm, but that can never happen until the socially essential functions of religion are recognised and incorporated into atheism.

Quote: You're allowed to say whatever you like (within the rules), and people are allowed to disagree with you.

There's a difference between being disagreed with and sheer belligerence, such as being told one is a poser, sheep in wolves clothing etc - or receiving an attack based on one's name, or accused of being something one is not declaring, etc etc.

Quote: You're insinuating that the community is close minded and dogmatic, which judging by this conversation alone, is not true. Again, this is a common complaint from theists.

What I'm "insinuating" is that there is NO atheist "community" - there's just a collection of individuals, some of whom choose to collect together to defend an ill-conceived dogma of their own creation, and others who prefer not to join in such collective aggression, and that the whole atheist "community" is a complete inchoate mess.

Quote:You can say nice things about priests, so can I. Do you have anything else or can we get along with it already?

Is there any scripture that you would like for us to consider? Angel
I'm just yanking your chain God.

There's that God person again. You seem to be obsessed with it!

Quote:I've been wondering, btw, what lead you to seek the advice of a vicar.

I think I've made it pretty clear that it was a delicate moral dilemma for which I required objective impartial advice. So don't you think it a tad idiotic to expect me to discuss it here?

Quote:May be commonplace among atheists, but it does seem to go against the current.

The current what? Oh, I see what you mean - the current dogma.
I guess so!

But, you see IDGAF.

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Quote:Why a vicar as opposed to someone else?

There wasn't anyone else suitable. Like I said. Rolleyes Before. You know. In my very first post? "The only person I found I was able to get any kind of useful support from was the minister of the local church, with whom I was at the time only very slightly aquainted."


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Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 11:01 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by frankiej - August 17, 2011 at 11:24 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Minimalist - August 17, 2011 at 11:46 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by frankiej - August 17, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by searchingforanswers - August 17, 2011 at 11:49 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 11:50 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by weakagnostic - August 17, 2011 at 11:52 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 17, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 2:42 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 17, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 17, 2011 at 4:49 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Paul the Human - August 19, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 20, 2011 at 1:25 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 20, 2011 at 2:02 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 20, 2011 at 2:06 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by frankiej - August 17, 2011 at 11:55 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by DeistPaladin - August 17, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by frankiej - August 17, 2011 at 12:34 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 12:36 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by frankiej - August 17, 2011 at 12:47 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 12:50 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Welsh cake - August 17, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 17, 2011 at 4:42 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 18, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 18, 2011 at 7:00 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 18, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 4:45 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 17, 2011 at 4:58 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 5:00 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 7:20 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Skeptic - August 17, 2011 at 7:53 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Welsh cake - August 17, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 7:45 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Justtristo - August 17, 2011 at 7:42 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Skeptic - August 17, 2011 at 8:45 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by popeyespappy - August 17, 2011 at 9:24 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by padraic - August 17, 2011 at 7:57 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by padraic - August 17, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 9:40 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 17, 2011 at 9:52 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 9:40 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 9:43 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 9:55 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 10:17 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 17, 2011 at 10:21 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 12:15 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Welsh cake - August 18, 2011 at 5:50 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 9:22 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:28 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by LastPoet - August 18, 2011 at 11:32 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Welsh cake - August 18, 2011 at 12:00 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Kayenneh - August 18, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:01 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 2:05 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:06 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 2:06 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:37 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Kayenneh - August 18, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by theVOID - August 18, 2011 at 6:24 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by padraic - August 18, 2011 at 8:23 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Statler Waldorf - August 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Darwinian - August 18, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 12:09 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Paul the Human - August 18, 2011 at 8:28 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by padraic - August 18, 2011 at 9:11 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 8:35 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 9:14 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 18, 2011 at 10:41 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 10:44 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 10:48 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 10:49 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Cinjin - August 19, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 18, 2011 at 11:35 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 19, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Kayenneh - August 19, 2011 at 3:21 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by thesummerqueen - August 19, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Minimalist - August 19, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Ace Otana - August 19, 2011 at 3:01 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Faith No More - August 20, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 20, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Godnose - August 21, 2011 at 5:22 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by Nathan6329 - August 20, 2011 at 7:24 pm
RE: Problems with atheism - by Epimethean - August 21, 2011 at 10:07 am
RE: Problems with atheism - by padraic - August 22, 2011 at 7:22 pm

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