Problems with atheism

[Faith No More]

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Godnose, the comments about being a sheep in wolf's clothing aren't really about your ideas in particular but more about us not really knowing your true views.

Read my posts. They are my true views. If you choose to believe they are not, that is your problem not mine.

We are weary of anyone that just jumps right in with ideas such as yours who haven't been around long enough for us to know you. Every week someone jumps in here spouting their ideas and condemning anyone who thinks differently.

Sorry - didn't realise it was an exclusive club. Thought it was all about freedom of expression and stuff. So all these people have been suggesting atheist churches, have they?

These people have no intentions of having meaningful debate or sticking around to have real discussion, so that makes us skeptical of people that don't try to get to know everyone here first before declaring their new ideas.

It's a forum not a WI club. People come and go. That's the nature of a forum.

Our reaction has little to do with your idea, and more to do with how you've presented it.

In that case I think you have a problem and suggest you re-think your attitude. Not everyone can be a literary genius!

Don't take it personally, but we get a lot of this around here.

Well if everyone gets slagged-off off as soon as they open their mouths then I'm not surprised people get miffed!

I do understand what you mean about many atheists lacking desire for spiritual growth, but that is a personal issue anyway, so I don't think a community would solve that.

It could help.

As far as moral guidance goes, I think you are making a false correlation between a position of authority and wisdom.

Nope. I asked for advice and got it. Basically I guess what I actually wanted was someone I could trust to be discreet who I could bounce my thoughts off. And I have found vicars etc to be pretty useful that way. Only it seems I "not allowed" to say anything nice about vicars because this is an atheist forum. At least that's the impression I'm getting, and it sucks.

Atheists don't need a dedicated advisor to dispense guidance and wisdom ....

putting words into my mouth here aren't you? When did I say anything about "wisdom"? I said "advice". Advice - advice, you know, that stuff you don't have to take if you don't want to.

Talking to clergy gives you a false sense of compassion anyway.

Not something one could say about fora!

The priest may genuinely care about you, but he does so because god told him to.

Er ... I though god doesn't exist. So how can he have been told it by god? Anyway, what's the problem? He still at least goes through the motions of caring, which is more than most folk do!

Meeting people who you can share things with is an important part of life, and just declaring someone a 'priest' is taking a shortcut to finding meaningful relationships.

Can't disagree with that. That's basically the idea isn't it? That a priest (whatever) is supposed to be a universal friend.

If you have trouble meeting people real life, as I do, there's always places like this on the internet.

If this is the only alternative then may the gods help us!

PS: Anyone got any problems with atheism? Or solutions?

All this stuff about how nice (or not) priests are is very interesting, but somewhat off topic IMHO.

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Wow, I totally tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and reasonably explain what was going on here. It seems, however, that you are more interested in copping an attitude and playing the victim than having a rational discussion.

Now I understand why you have trouble meeting people.