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Street Epistemology - Practice
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice
(November 26, 2017 at 6:34 pm)curiosne Wrote:
(November 24, 2017 at 6:23 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:



1) When I said no physical evidence, I meant no physical samples of a bigfoot (eg hair samples, stool samples, etc). This is important as the quality of evidence to prove that Bigfoot exists is lower whithout physical samples to support the claim. At this point, let's go down to point three below....

2) Ok, good clarification. I also wouldn't say feelings are high quality evidence (if at all).

3) So with the nature of the claims that have been mentioned (Bigfoot existing & Aunt Mary curing her cancer by drinking water), you say that there is insufficient evidence for each of the cases to accept the claims. Can you clarify, how you determine how much (both quality and quantity) evidence (also what types of evidence like heresay, phtotos, etc?) you need for the ordinary / extraordinary nature of a claim?

I mean, do you consciously use a rule to determine how much evidence you need?

Ok... so is remaining physical evidence is important to you?  Do you need to examine this evidence for yourself, or do you trust what others say about it?   At best, it would seem to me, that a hair or poop sample, could be determined as of unknown origin (even by an expert opinion).  So this would be only supporting evidence, which doesn't tell us much or have much strength on it's own. 

As to your question about the quality and quantity of evidence.  I think that the evidence needs to sufficient to make evident what is being claimed, and overcome any evidence against it.
For example, in your case of bigfoot, while an a hair/poop sample, which cannot be identified, is supportive towards other evidence of bigfoot, I don't think they would be sufficient on their own.  In the case of drinking water, and curing cancer.  A simple observation is good enough to verify that she drank water.  A doctors examination would be required to declare the cancer as gone.  However, for the correlation between the two, I think more of a study needs to be made to show causation.

I do think that it is difficult to make an exact rule/ formula, as there can be a number of different things to weigh and consider (I don't see us replacing juries with a computer that you just import the information too).  However I wouldn't describe it as arbitrary either.  I have thought about and made a couple of threads here before, about extraordinary claims.  I don't see any justification in making a distinction.  I find that often those who shout extraordinary claims are subjective, ill defined, and a lazy/ poor justification to not deal with the evidence and facts of the matter. 

Concerning epistemology,  do you think that two similar claims with similar evidence / justification for rational belief, will yield different results, because of what the conclusion is?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 20, 2017 at 11:16 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 20, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 20, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 20, 2017 at 11:45 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Crossless2.0 - November 21, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Crossless2.0 - November 21, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 4:32 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Fireball - November 20, 2017 at 11:46 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Succubus - November 20, 2017 at 11:49 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Nay_Sayer - November 30, 2017 at 9:40 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 12:34 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 12:47 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 1:02 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 1:30 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 1:32 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 1:42 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 1:59 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 2:05 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 21, 2017 at 10:14 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 22, 2017 at 1:32 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 22, 2017 at 7:01 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 22, 2017 at 5:13 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 23, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 21, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Grandizer - November 30, 2017 at 8:29 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Neo-Scholastic - January 3, 2018 at 8:55 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by vulcanlogician - January 3, 2018 at 9:02 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2017 at 7:05 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2017 at 5:45 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 22, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2017 at 6:01 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 22, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 23, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2017 at 5:51 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 23, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 24, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by vulcanlogician - November 24, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 24, 2017 at 1:14 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by vulcanlogician - December 15, 2017 at 8:42 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by downbeatplumb - November 30, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 26, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Abaddon_ire - November 27, 2017 at 12:38 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 1:15 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 1:48 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 2:44 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Abaddon_ire - November 27, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by polymath257 - January 18, 2018 at 9:03 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 18, 2018 at 11:18 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by polymath257 - January 18, 2018 at 11:34 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 18, 2018 at 11:47 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 19, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by polymath257 - January 19, 2018 at 2:26 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 19, 2018 at 8:18 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 22, 2018 at 6:05 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 22, 2018 at 6:10 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 22, 2018 at 6:27 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 22, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 22, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 22, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 27, 2017 at 7:55 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Abaddon_ire - November 27, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 10:03 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 27, 2017 at 10:30 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 10:59 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 28, 2017 at 12:04 am
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 28, 2017 at 5:55 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 28, 2017 at 8:55 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 28, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 29, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Abaddon_ire - November 29, 2017 at 5:52 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 29, 2017 at 6:00 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 29, 2017 at 7:49 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 30, 2017 at 1:39 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 30, 2017 at 11:55 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 30, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - December 2, 2017 at 1:11 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - December 3, 2017 at 6:07 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - December 3, 2017 at 11:08 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - December 4, 2017 at 6:29 am
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - December 4, 2017 at 7:45 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - December 5, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 3, 2018 at 6:46 am
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 11, 2018 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - January 18, 2018 at 8:30 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 22, 2018 at 9:51 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - January 22, 2018 at 11:37 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - November 27, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 9:56 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by The Grand Nudger - November 27, 2017 at 12:41 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 27, 2017 at 8:00 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by The Grand Nudger - November 27, 2017 at 10:01 pm
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by The Grand Nudger - November 27, 2017 at 11:06 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 27, 2017 at 11:11 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 27, 2017 at 11:17 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 28, 2017 at 12:25 am
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 28, 2017 at 12:50 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - November 28, 2017 at 12:54 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by Edwardo Piet - November 28, 2017 at 3:02 am
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RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by The Grand Nudger - December 4, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by RoadRunner79 - December 12, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by curiosne - December 13, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: Street Epistemology - Practice - by The Grand Nudger - January 20, 2018 at 2:16 am

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