RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 28, 2017 at 2:52 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2017 at 2:53 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:You know how clear the witness argument is. It's been explained and proven thoroughly. We have an exact value, and exact measurement, not determined by us, but a perfect judge. Humans all know this though they may have became heedless of their constant witnessing of this like we become heedless of breathing.Nope measurements are just human inventions that have culturally evolved as a patch for our imperfect brains . And are only exact because things have exact natures .
Quote:That is the best argument for God because we breathe in it and out . Other proofs are indirect, but the witness argument, that is part of human living, no humans does without it not even for a second.Nope being able to breathe through semi efficient lungs in an atmosphere that is slowly corroding them is not proof of a magic man who lives in the sky
(November 28, 2017 at 2:47 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:No M it's your sad sack religion that is the only cult on display here(November 28, 2017 at 2:41 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I find the greatest mastery in nature itself working with wind and the elements and the play of life over the planet. No gods required. But go on deflecting the praise deserved by the natural world on to the creation of your imagination.
You can assert time and time again that no God is required, but that won't make the proofs go away, just be a shortcoming on your part, I live in a place where secular theories were taught to me about everything, I bought evolution and all the geology non-sense of how things cam to be for a time. Half-knowledge and half baked theories can make anything seem true or reasonable.
Cults arise from half baked knowledge. But when you begin to seek certainty and you know things for certain, and work with what you know for certain, you will see the propaganda is just that, propaganda.
The problem is not the evidence, it's the way it's analyzed. Even fallacies which I hinted before about, they are trying do away with foundational ways human speak and often proper reasoning.
It happens to be you can't just cut and dry say "this and that" is always a fallacy for a lot of the supposed fallacies- it's situational, reasoning, just like courage is situational and can go to extremism of foolishness and idiocy or carelessness or haughtiness or combination of that.
And to be good is part of reason and reason is part of goodness, and so there is unity in a lot things we think are not together.
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