And among the arguments, I came up with in the past and no one was able to refute:
1. If hypothetical Creator (for sake of argument, we are saying this being is neither good or evil) can create morality from nothing (without it already existing), it can make it what it wants.
2. If it can make what it wants, it can be arbitrary.
3. If it can be arbitrary, then it can make it that it's inherently good to torture innocent souls for eternity.
4. It is impossible that it being inherently good to torture an innocent soul for eternity.
5. Therefore it cannot be arbitrary.
6. Therefore it can't make what it wants.
7. Therefore it can't create morality from nothing.
8. If a Creator can't create morality from nothing, neither can evolution, since it can create evolution or everything created by evolution.
9. Therefore morality is eternal.
10. Morality requires perception.
And you add the premises that will lead to God.... they are not hard....
1. If hypothetical Creator (for sake of argument, we are saying this being is neither good or evil) can create morality from nothing (without it already existing), it can make it what it wants.
2. If it can make what it wants, it can be arbitrary.
3. If it can be arbitrary, then it can make it that it's inherently good to torture innocent souls for eternity.
4. It is impossible that it being inherently good to torture an innocent soul for eternity.
5. Therefore it cannot be arbitrary.
6. Therefore it can't make what it wants.
7. Therefore it can't create morality from nothing.
8. If a Creator can't create morality from nothing, neither can evolution, since it can create evolution or everything created by evolution.
9. Therefore morality is eternal.
10. Morality requires perception.
And you add the premises that will lead to God.... they are not hard....