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Best books debunking Christianity
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RE: Best books debunking Christianity
(November 28, 2017 at 9:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(November 28, 2017 at 9:48 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Interesting. I am curious as to your religious background/lack thereof before you accepted the plausibility of atheism. Would you disclose it?
Sure, I don't have one.  I never had the misfortune of having to approach atheism as a plausibility.  So I don't have any of the hangups I commonly see in people coming at it from "the other direction", trying to make sense of this or that without a god.

Plenty of nuts of various stripes in my family, though.  Holy rollers like my gg on down to hippie pagans like my mother who did (and still does) believe in fairies and magic.  The myths, for me..have always been myths.  Curiosities that others believed in.  OTOH, I collected (and still collect) myths like other kids collected baseball cards.  My kids get a kick out of it.  I recounted Beowulf to them, full on storyteller style...to cover the time in our last roadtrip and shut their yapping mouths.

(November 28, 2017 at 10:08 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(November 28, 2017 at 9:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, I don't have one.  I never had the misfortune of having to approach atheism as a plausibility.  So I don't have any of the hangups I commonly see in people coming at it from "the other direction", trying to make sense of this or that without a god.

Plenty of nuts of various stripes in my family, though.  Holy rollers like my gg on down to hippie pagans like my mother who did (and still does) believe in fairies and magic.

I envy you, man. In my family, when it became clear that I did not believe in God, there was a kerfuffle. I met with resistance. Granted, I didn't have a family of evangelicals or anything. My decision was pretty much respected, but still, there was alienation involved. Doesn't that tell you something about religion? Religion involves an implicit imperative that acts contrary to nature: "deny your loved ones for the sake of some ideal." This is amoral and counter-productive. But I guess Jesus was pretty upfront about this; he did say that he came with a sword to divide brother against brother or something like that.

It gets better with time, I was actually raised as a Jehovah's Witness which I left at 16 (as soon as my parents said i could make my own choices) which led to all manners of discord, which to a degree i understood. I believe the indoctrination left me emotionally immature in some ways.

The 'god' bug though was very strong and later in life I got involved with a baptist church,  I always had believed in a god and got involved with a much more traditional church, which for me , now an adult i fared much better.  I became very active in my faith, I identified  with the closeness of god, the holy spirit, indeed i was very winsome with my faith and had about 30 or so spiritual (people i had the then honour of guiding to faith) children , many of which keep in touch despite my rejection of faith, in fact they still come to me for advice. I lost a great deal of friends, kept others (who pray for me) to be fair i think it's simply awkward for them i have rejected what is most dear to their hearts and that's hard to take.

The road out is as complex as the one in, it takes years to unravel what it took years to indoctrinate but bit by bit is does unravel and I no longer fear any backlash,  i am finding a new found freedom especially in the area of discovery, science, and the people around me, now not having to filter everything through the irrational filter of religion, i can see clearly now.  The road out can be very hard, and very costly..  but it is worth the journey.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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