Two audio books for Christians (and, everyone else)

[Jehanne]

These are fantastic and cheap to buy; every Christian (and, everyone else) should listen to them:

The Theory of Evolution: A History of Controversy

It's from "The Great Courses" series; great overview of evolution, its universal scientific acceptance over time, and ultimately, the early success of religious Christian conservatives in suppressing its teaching in high schools and, eventually, its ultimate come-back.

Dot, Dot, Dot: Infinity Plus God Equals Folly

Everyone in this forum (except, perhaps, PolyMath) needs to read and/or listen to this audiobook.  It will help expunge the Aristotelian thinking from many on this forum; I learned a ton and am no expert.  The concept of "infinity" in mathematics and physics is simply different and technical.  I was taught naive set theory while in college (e.g., "an infinite set is one that is not finite"), but elementary number theory goes WAY (pardon the pun) beyond that, and again, I am no expert, and this book was, for me, an eye-opener.

[Fake Messiah]

Ah yes "If only they read up on it" --why didn't I think of that? Some time ago on some other forum some Christian was writing how evolution is false with clearly no knowledge of what evolution is, so I suggested that he at least reads a book about it to learn what it is and then perhaps criticize it, and I suggested "Why Evolution Is True" by Jerry Coyne and his response was that Jerry Coyne is retarded.

So to them it's on a psychological level. They should rather talk to a shrink because they have been sort of hypnotized into being fearful towards it.

[Jehanne]

Yeah, once upon a time, I was brainwashed, too. Professor Coyne's book is on Audible, something that I was not aware of! And, so, thanks for your suggestion!!

[Fake Messiah]

The problem is that Christians are taught to avoid those of another persuasion and avoid the exchange of ideas through dialogue. Remember, for them to have other ideas that are outside of Bible is to be punished with Hell and ideas that are outside of the Bible can only be wrong and are possessed by those with less than honorable motives.

Christian beliefs are not to be questioned or doubted and dogmatic sentiments are clearly evident in such verses as Romans 16:17-18, "I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who created dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering words they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded." By "simple minded" one can only assume Paul is referring to his own followers, and who is in a better position to know?

Similar verses are 2 Timothy 2:16-17, "Avoid such godless chatter, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, and their talk will eat its way like gangrene";

1 Timothy 6:20, "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and the oppositions of science falsely so called";

1 Timothy 6:3-5, "If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among men";

But of course some Christians in order to accept ideas that are outside the Bible simply proclaimed that they are in accordance with the Bible, like some Croatians do with evolution and big band and modern medicine and few other things.