RE: Arguments for God's Existence from Contingency
November 28, 2017 at 10:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2017 at 10:43 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 28, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(November 28, 2017 at 5:16 pm)Hammy Wrote: I'll give you yet another example, Neo, on how 'debunking' Aquinas doesn't really take any real 'debunking' exactly, and it's really nothing more than a game that I shall call "Spot The Non-Sequitur". Wanna play? Here we go. Here's the so-called fourth of Aquinas's ways, the one about God's so-called perfection:
Yep.
Yep.
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*cough* *cough* non-sequitur *cough* *cough*
Can you spot the non-sequitur?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_degree
And, to quibble a little more, the 3rd point here is false as well if it's really saying that there's necessarily one object that has ALL properties to the maximum degree. That's another non-sequitur if that is what it is saying. There's no reason to believe that one object exists that has all of those degrees to their maximum. There may be one object that is the most intelligent, another object that is the most divine, another object that is the strongest, another object that is the fastest, for example, there's absolutely no reason to believe that one object has all those things, to say otherwise is yet again just another non-sequitur.
There's another reason premise three fails. An object which contained all perfections (whatever that means) would include perfect justice and perfect mercy. Since justice consists in giving people what they deserve, and mercy consists in giving people less than they deserve, the two can't be perfectly fulfilled at the same time. The entity in question is incoherent. Thus the fourth way fails. But die-hard kool-aid drinkers like Neo will deny it to their utmost. The fourth way is a really shitty argument. I'm surprised that anyone defends it.
Yep. Not to mention that this God would supposedly have the maximum quality of ALL degrees. Not just GOOD degrees, so he'd be maximally evil just as much as maximally good. The only argument against this is the failed argument that evil is merely an absence of goodness, and that failed argument is not only a failure, but it's not even argued for in Thomas Aquinas's 5 ways. And besides, there's no more reason to believe that evil is the absence of goodness than there is to believe that goodness is the absence of evil. And, in fact, I'd be inclined towards the latter.