Religion stifles Moral Evolution

[Aroura]

Joods, it goes along with our understanding that human sexuality has 2 functional purposes that go together - to procreate, and to form a mutual bond with the person you have pledged to spend your life with (to help keep you together through the emotional bonding effects of the hormone oxytocin). Healthy, intact families are extremely important to society because they are the best environment to raising the next generation of people, and sexuality is meant to serve that purpose in those 2 ways.

Taken outside of those 2 functions, sex has caused a lot of harm to society. From rape as the absolute worst, to STD's, over population, unwanted/out of wedlock pregnancies, to men and women feeling used.

None of this is to say premarital sex should be illegal. And as I've said before, I'm behind giving gay couples all the same benefits/rights. Seperation of church and state makes sense.

But as far as sexual morality is concerned, thats why we believe it is best left reserved for the bonds of marriage as a mutual self giving act between one man and one woman.

One of your "harm to society" items is a direct result of one of your 2 functional purposes, and mostly occurs inside those sacred bons.
As a matter of fact, more gay people would result in a lot less of that problem. (out of wedlock birth occurs, but the vast, vast, vast majority of birth, and therefore overpopulation, is from straight married couples).

Also, men and women feel used inside of straight marriages all the time, and can possible not feel used inside gay ones.  

Lastly, the first purpose of marriage you listed has nothing to do with the second, and people of all sexualities want exactly that out of marriage, that's one reason they want to be married also!  Why are you denying it to them?  You just said it's one of the main purposes!

So, quote me where Jesus says anything about gay folks.
Tell me why this is an issue for you, personally, but it's ok to wear mixed fibers.  I'm completely serious.

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And to clarify, i'm not saying sex outside of the context I described above will  always lead to some sort of negative outcome. A lot of people, gay or straight, lead perfectly fine lives not keeping with those moral standards of sexuality. But the reason we think it's immoral is because it is contrary to our understanding of natural law nonetheless, and that is what we base morality off of.

And where do you get that understanding?  If not "because religion told you so"?

Because none of your reasons are outside of religious ones.

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Please let me clarify, I think I put a few too many questions in there.

Cl, you state that you do not hold beliefs soley because your religion told you so, but that there are books of study on many moral subjects, backing up your doctrines moral law.

Then please sum up your non-religious reasons for opposing homosexual marriage (or homosexual behavior).

(I still wouldn't mind if you answered my other questions, but I think this one covers the main conversation better).